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[edit] Suggested merges

Would suggested merges be under AfD, requested moves, or under "Articles needing work" and "Mergers"? I'm specifically looking for where to put Punisher: MAX --Newt ΨΦ 00:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

"Merges" - I am going to remove that second "r". I wonder if Wikiprojects have different dialects. --Chris Griswold 03:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Wow, maybe not. AfD? Or should I move the Merge section up with the AfDs? --Chris Griswold 03:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I think Proposed Merges was a good call, adding Punisher: MAX there. --Newt ΨΦ 13:29, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Articles Under Consideration

What about an article on indie comic creator Andrea Grant who recently entered a legal trademark battle with DC comics over the title 'MINX'? After several months and a lot of press the dispute was resolved amicably and she is now calling her title 'Andrea Grant's Minx'to distinguish from DC's title.

What about "Articles that might should be made"? Example: I, personally, think an article on all the various devices & gadgets Doctor Doom has made/used in his decades of existence would be of interest (and there is some precendent for such an article -- Captain America's shield, Mjolnir (Marvel Comics), and my own Iron Man's armors article). Dr Archeville 12:09, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea. I don't think any of Doom's inventions is notable enough to deserve its own article, thought. Wilfredo Martinez 14:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree fully, which is why I suggested making one article with all his inventions, rather than one for each. (It's the same philosophy I'm using for the Iron Man's armors article.) Dr Archeville 14:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I am thinking it might be redundant because the task template has that function already. --Chris Griswold 16:57, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
"Task template"? Color me blind, but what/where is that? Dr Archeville 17:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Above. --Chris Griswold 12:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't see it either; the Template: Wikiproject Comics is a currently a red link. Do you mean the {{comicsproj} tag? That SHOULD be included here, I think. Wilfredo Martinez 13:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Ha. Ooops. It is now. --Chris Griswold 15:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
The tag is incomplete. Let me guess, you copypasted my mention of it above? I intentionally mispelled it so the Template wouldn't show up on mid page. No prob, I corrected it. Wilfredo Martinez 16:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Hilarious. Good prank. --Chris Griswold 18:12, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to add that a company (Shocker Toys) whos listing was stupidly removed from WIKI by some jerky editors is doing a huge project using over 70 indie comic properties called 'Indie Spotlight'. So who decides wether a company is notable enough?? With the properties I see they have under their belt I think they are worthy of a wiki listing don't you?? How do we add this to the comic section here is the characters and properties they are using if anyone wants to help: Dick Tracy Lone Ranger The Phantom The Tick Solar:Man of the Atom Magnus Robot Fighter Jack Staff Madman (In our Series1 release) The Atomics Nexus The Moth Retro Rocket Strangers in Paradise (Katchoo is in our Series1 release) ShadowHawk (In our Series1 release) Scud: The Disposable Assassin (In our Series1 release) ZAPT! Markus Fang WildGuard Earthboy Jacobus Venger Thundergod Robotika Jetcat Atomic City Nira-X The Skunk Deadworld Realm Jack the Lantern The Wraith Metropol Eddy Current Liberty Girl and Flare Honor of the Damned Katharsis Bounty Killer Bushido Airshell Unit Primes Atomika Zoom Suit Billy:Demon Slayer Forces The Rift Drunken Monkey Moonstone Publishing Badger Grimjack Ninja High School Warrior Nun Gold Digger OZF5 Fallen Angel Tyrant The Hypernaut N-Man The Fury

[edit] Formatting of AfD Notices

Why does the recommended format of the AfD notices have the entries point to all of that day's nominees instead of that individual one? Does this prevent the link from going bad once the decision has been made and the discussion has been archived? GentlemanGhost 00:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I believe so. I copied the board from the GLBT notice board, and they have been doing it this way for a while now. This way, when the notice board is archived, you can see to what the AfD is referring. --Chris Griswold 07:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stubs to be expanded

As mentioned in the Wikiproject Comics page, here are my votes for stubs that deserve to be expanded. All are Marvel characters or concepts. Note that while some may be obscure today, they all had an importance to the Marvel Universe or where the focus of once-important storylines. I'll cover the DC comics ones later:

Ajak, Atum (comics)(as Demogorge), Batroc's Brigade, Blacklash, Blue Shield (comics), Chief Examiner, Contemplator, Controller (Marvel Comics), Demons (Marvel Comics), Doctor Demonicus (or expanding Pacific Overlords instead), Doctor Sun, Dragon of the Moon, Dreadknight, Exemplars, Eye of Agamotto (as Eyes of Agamotto, also covering the Orb of Agamotto), Fantasti-Car, Fear Lords (comics), Flag-Smasher, Guardsman (comics), Heliopolitans (comics), Interloper (comics), Iron Man's armors, Karnilla, Kristoff Vernard, Legion of the Unliving, Lethal Legion, Machinesmith, Malekith the Accursed, Mandroid, Marduk Kurios, Master (comics), Master Pandemonium, Mentor (Marvel Comics), Morgan le Fay (Marvel Comics), N'Garai, Possessor (comics), Satannish, Serpent Men, Seth (comics), Six-Fingered Hand (comics), Straw Man (comics), Thena, Thog, Undying Ones, Zuras. -Wilfredo Martinez 18:30, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the point of stubs that they should be expanded? Perhaps a better thing to highlight is the stubs that need to be merged into a list. --Chris Griswold 20:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Either way works, but I prefer the first approach. -Wilfredo Martinez 03:03, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Why? Please elaborate.--Chris Griswold 06:17, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
The goal is to eliminate all the stubs that do not deserve their own page. We can do it by going around listing the ones to be deleted/merged, then focus on what's left, OR we can list the ones that deserve expansion so that people can notice and focus on them, and THEN get rid of the ones left. The result is the same- less comics stubs littering the Wiki landscape- but the second approach is more constructive, in my opinion. -Wilfredo Martinez 12:38, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
But what I am saying is that they're all supposed to be expanded. So when you're pointing out the stubs above, you are saying something that is already assumed while not telling people which stubs should be deleted or merged. It's much more efficient and effective to focus on those ones. --Chris Griswold 16:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I feel that a list like the one above would encourage people to work on those articles, while a list of "to be deleted or merged" articles does not. In my opinion, of course. -Wilfredo Martinez 00:42, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me that editors are always eager to delete or merge entries. We're a bloodthirsty lot. As for highlighting stubs to be expanded, try the task template above. --Chris Griswold 04:53, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
...Which I now see no longer includes a list itself but instead links to another page. Shouldn't that list be in the Notice Board page proper? The more links it gets an editor to get to an article, the more his desire to work on it will decrease (and that's not just my opinion.) -Wilfredo Martinez 16:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I may be way off base on this, but shouldn't minor topics usually start off as parts of major articles, then be spun off when they grow too unmanageable and/or they don't fit neatly into one particular article? We seem to be pretty quick to start stubs--especially based on minor characters. -HKMarks 23:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Good point. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 02:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Strikethrough

After twice deleting the Colossal Boy entry from the merger section, I see that Markeer has tried to find a compromise by using a strikethrough tag. I find this to be unnecessary and am concerned only because I don't expect this will be common practice. The reason entries are added to the top of the list is to create a sense of progression; the items at the bottom are older and so their having ended should come as no surprise to an editor. Finally, I think the list should be legible, and the very function of the strikethrough - to partially obscure text goes against that. --Chris Griswold 03:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I suggested the strike through since the merger is completed. What would be a better way of indicating that sort of thing? -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 04:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
What you did was perfect. --Chris Griswold 07:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major Events

Ok, this is something I've been meaning to address for a while, but I've been otherwise occupied: What makes a comic book event or plotline "major", as in, worthy of inclusion in our lists of Major Events or Timelines? The reason I point this out, is that publicity can often exaggerate the importance of a particular storyline. Example: I see the "Planet Hulk" storyline in Incredible Hulk has been added to Major Events of the Marvel Universe; howevever, as far as I'm aware, other than keeping Hulk from being involved in the events of Civil War I don't see it as having any major importance; most likely Hulk will return to Earth after its conclusion and go back to his old plotlines.

What I propose is an official definition of what a "Major Comics Event" is: that it is either A) an event that effects the whole universe (or at least Earth) or B) a major event in the life of a major character in that universe (such as his origin) with "Major Character" being defined as one whose acts have (at some point) an effect on the World at large. Examples:

-The Crisis on Infinite Earths.

-Batman's origin (as Batman is a major member of the Justice League, the DC Universe's major hero team.)

Examples of what not to include:

-Any overhyped story that doesn't change the Status Quo much in the end (eg, Planet Hulk.)

-Any change that is of obvious limited duration, like Spider-Man's new costume.

Opinions? -Wilfredo Martinez 15:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

That said, the Spidey Costume changes all tended to happen around 'major' plots. Witness: the Venom introduction of the Black Suit, the Other and Civil War for the Tony Stark Suit. Major would have to fall under 'This alters the character for a long time.' And of course, we can't really tell what that is and isn't 'Major' for a couple years :P Just to muddy it up more. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 16:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
"Major events", in this instance, should refer to events that affect continuity in for more than one character or team. This is, after all, about the Marvel Universe. Planet Hulk only really affects the Hulk; it doesn't affect the rest of the Marvel Universe. Secret Wars, Secret Wars II, Infinity War, Secret War, and Civil War all affect a large number of characters. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 18:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Based on a few comments from Marvel (along the lines of "Hulk will be back, and angry at the Illuminati") it's possible Planet Hulk could have an impact on the future. It's hard to judge the importance of storylines as they happen. Perhaps the Major events page needs a current events section for crossovers that haven't really resolved? Maybe not. Just a thought. -HKMarks 23:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
There is a planned "World War Hulk" event next year that comes from "Planet Hulk" and "Civil War", but that's the event, not "Planet Hulk". --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 02:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Aye, as it stands Planet Hulk is just a minor side note to Civil War -HKMarks 02:15, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I think we need to separate the two kinds of "event" here. One is a significant moment in the fictional history of some character/group/planet/universe. The other is a piece of real-world hype - Civil War, for example, is being explicitly marketed as a Marvel Comics Event-with-a-capital-E. Naturally there is plenty of overlap between the two but the latter definition is MUCH easier to put a definition around, so based on this I would propose, to start with, renaming Major events of the DC Universe to Major events in DC comics.
It's the first meaning of the word that we're struggling with. Naturally, each comic book character - and, by extension, each comic book universe - has an idealised classic status quo. Characters almost always tend to revert to "normal" eventually, although the universe made up of these characters will obviously be in constant flux. Thus I'd suggest that the significance of an event-in-history should judged based on 1) the magnitude of the change (number of people affected, significance of those people) and 2) how long it takes (or has taken, so far) to revert. --SamSim 19:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Isn't our description, as editors, of any comics event as "major" without secondary sources stating it's a "major event" POV? Even if we agree on some sort of definition, that seems like it would stink of original research without a reputable source backing it up. Shouldn't "major events" be events that have been deemed "major" by reputable secondary sources (since we can't necessarily trust the publishers on this one)? --NewtΨΦ 19:15, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Good point. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 22:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
And what would these secondary sources be? Also, "Major Events in DC Comics" that refer to publishing events, would have to be covered under the main DC Comics article; ditto Marvel, Image, etc. -Wilfredo Martinez 01:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Think of this as setting criteria for notability within each fictional universe, rather than taking a point of view. If we didn't do this, we'd end up simply listing everything that's ever happened. Imagine doing that for a character like Batman, let alone an entire comic book universe. -- SamSim 09:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
We already have a notability criteria. We don't necessarily need an article for Major events of the Marvel Universe, or its ilk, if the material it covers is arbitrarily decided by Wikipedia editors. Read WP:NOR, defining "major" as separate from what secondary sources have reported as major introduces independent analysis, providing new information. What exactly the secondary sources are to report this, I don't really know, but that's not the issue. It's also POV, even if it's the POV of a consensus of editors. --NewtΨΦ 13:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I just don't see how reporting on events of significance in a fictional universe can be considered "original research". We're not talking about arbitrarily deciding what is important or not; in fact, my point is that we need a working definition, based on the effects that the events have had in the stories, to keep people from just posting their favorite storylines as "Major"; By your definition an enourmous amout of "official" stuff already in Wikipedia would be considered Original Research. Let's not forget that Wikipedia is a Wiki, subject to constant unjustified changes by the public, and whether those of us who are dedicated to keep it as correct as possible have the right to decide what should be included, sooner or later we have to do it, at least until the day Wikipedia changes format to make the contribution process more exacting. -Wilfredo Martinez 15:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Reporting on events of significance is one thing, which we have notability criteria for, but creating a list of events deemed significant by editors of Wikipedia (or rather a list of events fitting a definition of "major" created by editors of Wikipedia) is another. I haven't forgotten Wikipedia is a wiki. What sort of "official" stuff are you talking about? --NewtΨΦ 16:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
This is starting to sound like we're drifting off-topic from trying to improve the Major Event and Timeline articles to questioning their reason for being. Fair enough, and feel free to continue; but you'll excuse me if I decline to participate in such an argument again. (See Talk:Timeline of the DC Universe to find out my previous experience.) I just want to focus on the Event Definition at this point. -Wilfredo Martinez 01:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Basically I'm questioning the title. If you're wondering what could merit the inclusion on an article entitled "Timeline of the Marvel Universe," you're on the right track. However, if you're looking what would merit the inclusion in an article entitled "Major events in the Marvel Universe" you're going to need secondary sources calling an event "major" as that is a POV qualification. The problem isn't that the article has bad information, it's just unfortunately titled, which can create flypaper for cruft and POV inclusions. While I get the impression you're stonewalling further discussion of this, I do think it's a relevant issue. --NewtΨΦ 15:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I should make clear that the reason I started the "Major Events" articles was so that the "Modern Ages" sections of the Timelines wouldn't grow too large in respect to the others; I also wanted to eventually get around to a discussion about what should be included. And I'm not "stonewalling" anything; I'm refusing to participate on a particular discussion, which I have a perfect right to. You and others can discuss whether these articles deserve to exist in the first place. But do so on a separate section, OK? This one is about the Events themselves. -Wilfredo Martinez 02:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Since the need for the discussion of what events should be included is predicated upon the existence of the article, I (falsely) assumed you would be interested in arguing to keep it. I apologize. I do suggest renaming it, as I personally see no point in continuing the "Events" discussion until the inherent POV-ness of the article is corrected. --NewtΨΦ 03:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I am not as familar with the Marvel article (It could work there too) But I would propose Major events of the DC Universe be renamed Major storylines the DC Universe. It still leaves a bit of redundancy about exactly what "Major" is but it helps clarify what type of things to be included, story lines that crossover or impact across the DC Universe. - Waza 06:10, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
The issue is that "major" is a POV word. What is to be included in a timeline (as opposed to an article named "Major events...") follows notability criteria, but what qualifies as "major" is not necessarily what qualifies as "notable." However, calling the article "Notable events" or "Notable storylines" still reads as POV even if what it contains fits our criteria as notable. --NewtΨΦ 18:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Comics are very resistant to change; writers usually leave the universe in the same state in which they found it when they were brought in. Deviations from that are what is considered "major" plots, I think. Thus, a "major" storyline is not as arbitary as it sounds; plotlines (in limited series and in story arcs of ongoing series) are either vignettes, maintaining the status quo, or introduce changes to the character(s) and situation(s) involved. The latter can be described as "major", and the former as "minor"; and the writer's intent is usually clear enough that we can categorize them.
Of course there are also many cases of "major" plots being later annuled by other "major" plots, or simply ignored, but I think that lists such as this do make sense even with NPOV taken into account. -- J'ohn 10:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tags in Marvel Universe article

Ever since the article was tagged for Cleanup and Sourcing, I've been thinking on how to fix them accordingly, but the more I do, the more I come to think it is unnecessary. The article seems clear enough to me; it does its job of explaining what the Marvel Universe is, what its publishing history has been, and gives a good description of the universe itself. I do not see how it would be confusing or useless to non-comics fans. Further, it DOES cite its sources, at least for the Concepts section (which I wrote). I did not provide a source for the history section as I did not write that part, but I presume any article or book on Marvel Comics could be cited as a reference there. Right now I'm considering removing the tags, but I wanted to discuss it here first. -Wilfredo Martinez 15:28, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Increasing participation

In order to increase participation in this page, I have a couple suggestions that I would like to run past other editors.

1. I'd like to ask for editors that regularly contribute to the board or would like to, to list themselves on the page in a Contributors section. I lately have not been scouring the XfDs for new items, and there have been some recently. I know others check such things more regularly, and it would be nice if they could remember to just add any comics-related items they see to the board. This list should have no air of superiority, and it should be clear that anyone can add their name. It's just a way for someone to make a commitment and also get some recognition for their work.

2. We should edit {{comicsproj}} to make greater mention of the board. This is one of the ways that we could increase visibility. Any other thoughts? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 22:14, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Wholehearted agreement. Also, maybe just have a checklist of things like the above, where newcomers to the project (and slow-learner editors like me) can go to remind them of these little regular tasks, with links, until we begin doing them out of habit. -- Tenebrae 14:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I really miss having the template on {{comicsproj}}.--Chris Griswold (☎☓) 17:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Completed splits?

There doesn't seem to be a section for these on the Notice Board - should there be? --Mrph 21:06, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Sure. We haven't had many splits since this started, but if we do now, go right ahead and make it. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 23:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Added - cheers. --Mrph 23:41, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Request to Merge some Legionnaires

Hello; new to this section and I may have violated some rules, so I'll bring them to your attention. Regarding the Legion of Super-Heroes, Garth Ranzz (Lightning Lad) was consolidated from redundant articles Lightning Lad and Live Wire. He is more generally known as Lightning Lad; would it be best to rename the article? In the same spirit, I request help to examine/clean/consolidate/merge the following redundant articles:

I merged this one, since there didn't seem to be any reason not to. Sukael 10:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Help appreciated. --Squashua 18:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Costumed crimefighters

A single, seemingly straightforward sentence in the lead of Superhero is causing an edit war. I placed a call for comments at Talk:Superhero, but the other editor ignored my call for consensus, so I'm placing it here as well.

Here is the lead paragraph, with footnotes following:

A superhero is a figure who is noted for feats of courage and nobility, who usually possesses abilities beyond those of normal human beings. Many superheroes have a colorful and distinctive name and costume. A female superhero is sometimes called a superheroine. Alternately, such heroes without superpowers are sometimes called costumed crimefighters[1]

Another editor continually deletes the sentence about "costumed crimefighters," though leaving "superheroine", and at one point sarcastically commented that superheroes are also called "underwear perverts". I'm not sure sarcasm was called for, and "underwear pervent" is not a term used. "Costumed crimefighter" is, and I supplised a smattering of examples from mainstream newspaper sources and elswhere. I could supply more, but I thought five would be enough.

"Costumed crimefighter" is term used in historical and academic research as well, and makes a necessary, immediate distinction to the general-public reader, given that non-super-powered characters are being called "super". Yeah, the average comic fan knows the distinction, but Wikipedia is written for the general public, and confusion and ambiguity are not what an encyclopedia is about.

We're talking one sentence, supported by cited source, that clarifies a distinction that for non-comics-fans is otherwise unclear. I'm asking for comments on this, please. --Tenebrae 17:16, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


Eh, response here: Talk:Superhero#Costumed_crimefighters (See latest edit, though -- not just a revert. Hope you like it better. Sorry for the edit war.) -- 71.206.231.102 20:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Footnotes

  1. ^ Per Lawrence Journal-World (March 17, 2006): "'V for Vendetta' is S for Subversive", by Jon Niccum, "The Dark Knight: Batman — A NonSuper Superhero", Gamespot: PS2 Games: Batman Begins, Spotlight Comics Annual #2 (May 2002); "The Religious Affiliation of Comic Book Characters: Rev. Dr. Christopher Syn, the Scarecrow of Romney Marsh (one of the world's first masked crime-fighters)" (no date), and other sources.

[edit] Principalities

As mentioned in the Demons (Marvel Comics) talk page, I've created the page Principalities (comics) to cover all the Marvel spell-granting beings that were lumped into the Demons page. I'd like to ask permission to delete these characters from the Demons article and the Octessence stub and redirect it to the new page. I also want spell checking on their names from those who may know them better than I do (they ARE tongue-twisting, aren't they?) and their respective spells. I'd also like some help with the Categories links. -Wilfredo Martinez 16:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I also have an image of the Octessence that would be great for the article, but it's a panel from a comic book, and I do not know which page it is taken from. I do know the issue, though. Should I use it?- Wilfredo Martinez 16:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hero & villain category trees

In researching an AfD today, I noticed that there are some inconsistencies in the category trees for the hero and villain characters of Marvel and DC.

Here's what the trees look like from different starting points:

Starting from Comics characters:

Starting from Fictional villains:

Starting from Superheroes:

The problems that I see are:

  1. Category:DC Comics heroes, non-superpowered is a subcategory of Category:DC Comics superheroes, which is a contradiction
  2. We're not consistent as to whether superpowered heroes and villains should be a subcategory of heroes and villains in general. It seems like the easiest fix would be to rename Category:Marvel Comics villains to Category:Marvel Comics villains, non-superpowered and move its subcategory Category:Marvel Comics supervillains up one level. However, my gut feeling is that superheroes/supervillains should be a subcategories of heroes/villains and that the dab phrase "non-superpowered" be excised from the category names. This would take more work, however.
  3. From the Superheroes tree, it is not possible to get to non-powered Marvel heroes. While this is accurate — non-powered heroes are not superheroes — I don't know that it's very intuitive.

Any thoughts? --GentlemanGhost 02:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

At a gut level I'd say delete the "hero" and "villain" cats and populate as:
  • Category:Comic book characters
    • Category:Comic book characters by publisher
      • Category:DC Comics characters
        • Category:DC Comics superheroes
        • Category:DC Comics supervillains
      • Category:Marvel Comics characters
        • Category:Marvel Comics superheroes
        • Category:Marvel Comics supervillains
And
  • Category:Superheroes
    • Category:Superheroes by publisher
      • Category:DC Comics superheroes
      • Category:Marvel Comics superheroes
And
  • Category:Supervillains
    • Category:Supervillains by publisher
      • Category:DC Comics supervillains
      • Category:Marvel Comics supervillains
The cat Fictional villains is at CfD at the moment and may be a non-issue.
As for the "Super...", it's been pointed out that these terms are fairly well defined and could be considered NPOV. They should be valid for defining aspects for a category. Further, some of the "hero, non-powered" tag have had me scratching my head. Batman, Robin, Hawkeye, etc are "superheroes". To call them "hero, non-powered" seems wrong, very, very wrong.
The only sticky places will be characters that have reformed/gone rogue and articles that cover multiple characters, some superheroes, some supervillains. — J Greb 06:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I like what you're saying. I think we need to bite the bullet and get rid of whether or not their powered, and concentrate on whether or not their considered superheros or villains. - Peregrine Fisher 07:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
A character that has been both hero and villain at different but substantial periods of time can (a) simply be classified as both, (b) be classified as the one that has taken up most of their history, or (c) be classified as whatever they are presently (which has a problem because all fiction is supposed to be present tense, but then again, that's a problem with the list of dead comic characters and yet it continues to exist.

"Non-powered" is often subjective. Green Lantern is not actually powered, and yet he has plenty of powered. Once we count his gadget as powered, where do we stop?

We need people to weigh in for a serious consensus. I think we should classify Spider-Man as both superhero and Marvel Comics character. I don't like breaking it down as Marvel Comics superhero, but that's just my preference. Breakdowns by company blur when characters change companies too. Doczilla 07:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair point with the double cating. If both fit, both should be added.
By extension, if a character migrates companies, each cat is valid and should be applied. And keep in mind that the tree variants, character, superhero, and supervillain, will wind up being fairly large. IIUC, that is a criteria for subdivision and in this case the company seems the natural split point.
As far as "Super..." and "Character", a superhero or villain presumes that we are talking about a character. It seems redundant to have both cats on an article. — J Greb 07:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Articles needing work...?

Would there be any objection if I added "Former Good article nominees" and/or "Delisted Good articles" as subheadings under this? I'm thinking it might be a good idea for two reasons -

  • Firstly, it draws a little attention to articles which should have already have Talk page feedback explaining how they can be improved
  • Secondly, it's a way to keep track of the WP:CMC articles in these categories, without trawling through the main category pages looking for anything that might be part of the project. It seems that they're something we might want to keep track of, after all.

Opinions? --Mrph 16:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Since nobody's objected, I've added 'em. Please comment if you think this isn't a good idea. --Mrph 23:09, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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