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This is the Talk Page for the Chicago Collaboration of the Week. Please add any comments regarding this project here.

I took the liberty to add this collaboration to the main collaboration template and I also added related nominations, as is standard on other COTWs. Please do not hesitate to advertise nominations/project articles on this COTW on other related COTWS, especially the WP:USCOTW, in the appropriate section. This will hopefully increase traffic both ways. Good luck with the new collaboration, I'll probably help a little whereever I can.--Fenice 08:22, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

What's the process to remove the "this is the article of the week" banner when a site is no longer the article of the week? I found at least one article that still has that banner, even though it doesn't appear that it is the article of the week. - Mr. Zarniwoop 15:31, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Found the {{FOR-CHICOTW}}, will use. - Mr. Zarniwoop 23:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Methodology

As this project ramps up, we should probably develop a methodology for voting on and pruning nominations, as many other COTW have. Wikipedia:Cinema_Collaboration_of_the_Week has pretty decent guidelines. I don't know if we want to adopt the style of a pre-existing collab or modify it. - AKeen 16:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Detailed guidelines would be something to think about if we begin to get more participants. One thing I do like about Cinema's guidelines, though, is that their first order of business is a "to do" list for each new collaboration. That's a good way of breaking things down and allowing individual editors to make smaller contributions without dedicating a whole lot of time to something. I would have been more likely, myself, to participate in the Intelligentsia collaboration if there'd been something like that. L Glidewell 14:41, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the direction. They have some good guidelines. I will incorporate something this week and request ratification. TonyTheTiger 10:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Renominations

You mention things coming in second as being eligible for renomination after four weeks. Given that therecurrently seem to be four people voting, it would appear we're going to be headed for a variety of ties for first or second place. How do you propose handling those? Shsilver 00:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

First, let's hope this picks up some steam and attracts new participants. However, generally, the shorter article should be the focus. I think previous COTW failed by trying to take good articles to featured status. I think we can take stubs to B or GA status regularly. If the tie is multiway where everyone is voting for their own nomination, we should encourage consideration in the voting. Thus, I propose everyone submit a 2nd choice so that we don't get a situation where people are voting for their own nomination even when it is not the best thing to work on. TonyTheTiger 23:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I guess anything could be described as 2nd place that had the 2nd most votes including at least one vote from someone other than the nominator. TonyTheTiger 23:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I propose an amendment to the renomination rules. I think that this should only apply to the original nominator. For example, I propose an article and it isn't chosen. Then I have to wait 4 weeks or ten weeks to renominate it myself. But if someone else decides that they like it, they can renominate it in the next round. If it doesn't win, then they also have to wait the 4 or 10 weeks. What does everyone think? TheQuandry 20:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd support this amendment. Shsilver 20:15, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

The people have spoken. I will change. TonyTheTiger 19:57, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Advertising

We are not allowed to place the {{CHICOTW}} template on article pages. However, I have placed it on the talk pages of Chicago, Chicagoland, Cook County, Illinois, Illinios, and all 77 Chicago community areas. Does anyone have any good ideas on attracting editors? TonyTheTiger 22:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Nothing beyond inviting people to join piecemeal as we come across them. I wish we had more participants in CHICOTW, especially onsidering the long list of folks on the main project page. Maybe we could go down the list and post invitations on their talk pages? TheQuandry 20:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Next week when I do my update, I will contact all those folks. Thanks for the suggestion. TonyTheTiger 19:55, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New WP Chicago pages

You may have noticed that I added a new WP Chicago pages section. I was trying to decide if I should explicitly encourage proper citation in this section. Let me know if you have an opinion. TonyTheTiger 00:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Objective

I hope you noticed and agree with the objectives section above. I just made our first WP:GA nomination (Museum of Contemporary Art, Chicago) according to this objective.

	Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago/Chicago Collaboration of the Week
The Second City is the current Chicago COTW You were a contributing editor to Museum of Contemporary Art, Chicago during its tenure as CHICOTW. It has successfully achieved Good article status thanks in part to your efforts. See its GA review and help us raise it towards the featured article classification level. Recall that during its tenure as CHICOTW we achieved the following Improvement. See our CHICOTW Improvement History.
Contributing editors:AKeen, L Glidewell, NatusRoma, TheQuandry*, TonyTheTiger.
	Good Article

[edit] Washington Park, Chicago

Given the MCA good article review, I think we may be able to turn ourselves into a WP:GA factory. I think we should review our past articles with this review in mind. I.E., we should consider the six things that good article candidates are judged for. I am going to try to spend some time today with the Washington Park, Chicago articles that are in the good article candidate queue. I think some of our past articles may be deserving especially if we clean them up a little. TonyTheTiger 19:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nominees

The following was pasted here from the CHICOTW project page

• Judson. We seem to be focusing on theatres and neighborhoods a little too much. Shsilver 20:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
  • The nomination process is open to all nominations. If you don't like the emphasis make another type of nomination and it will be given its fair due process. Also, we have done two bios, a museum and a legislative act. I think we are handling things equitably. TonyTheTiger 20:15, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
    • I would appreciate the ability to nominate an entire category for improvement, such as Chicago area bridges, but am content with improving specific articles decided by vote from the concerned user community. Additionally, in comparison to other urban areas, Chicago is somewhat "known" for theatres and the unique character of individual neighborhoods. To that end, for COTW to focus on widely known topics serves to advance access to knowledge for the entire user community. ChicagoPimp 23:16, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
      • I don't think there's any rule against nominating categories. I nominated "Chicago Theatres" a short while back and it would have meant improving some of the existing articles (including Chicago) and writing articles for theatres that don't have them yet (Congress, Uptown, etc.) I think the size of something like that might have seemed overwhelming but since we seem to be attracting more folks to this project maybe it's something to think about for the future. TheQuandry 03:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Did You Know Policy

Having recieved my first WP:DYK yesterday for Rob Pelinka, I am very new to DYK. I am trying to decide what the best policy is for CHICOTW articles. I noticed 3 editors came by and edited the article during the 10 hours and 41 minutes it was on the Main page. That is pretty good for a short bio article with narrow appeal. I think many of our articles could benefit from the proper timing. I am hoping to be able to get editorial help within the CHICOTW window if possible. However, there is no guarantee how quickly an article will be included in the DYK if successful. Generally, our articles have taken shape within the first 4 or 5 days. I am thinking that if an article becomes CHICOTW on Day 1, that by Day 5 or 6 it could have interesting fruit for a DYK nomination. Many of our articles probably had something DYK-worhty by this time. In weeks, where DYK success comes quickly enough, we could get help with our CHICOTW editting. Also, it may help us recruit editors who notice we are doing interesting things if we get them involved in our current project. Any comments? TonyTheTiger 21:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I just got the following notice. Let's see if it gets us any editorial assistance.

On February 28, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chicago Board of Trade Building, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

We got one editor, which is better than no DYK and none. TonyTheTiger 23:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Related nominations

We make our own rules here. However, I would like to suggest that unless nominees are closely related enough to rightly belong on the same dab page they be listed as separate nominees. Nominees that belong on the same list are many. We have to set a policy and I believe that is what our policy should be. If we can take 52 stub/redlink articles a year close to if not past WP:GA standards and find WP:DYK topics for many of them that is a good thing. We should not lose our focus and try to do too much. TonyTheTiger 23:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Without opposition, this will go up as policy on the main page in 48 hours. TonyTheTiger 15:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me. TheQuandry 16:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] National Register of Historic Places/National Historic Landmark

Chicago Board of Trade Building, Chicago Theatre, Hull House, Washington Park (Chicago park) and Union Stock Yard Gate all need to be cleaned up in a consistent manner with good links. I am just discovering that the date of listing on the National Register of Historic Places and date of designation of National Historic Landmark status can be very different based on info for the last of these three. Does anyone know a good link for the former listing? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 23:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

The National Landmark status is oft bestowed at a different time than the Register listing. However, if a site is listed a National Historic Landmark before it is listed on the National Register of Historic Places then it automatically joins the Register when it is designated a landmark. That said, the NRHP has a database (that doesn't always work) with every property listed (includes: date, city, county, address and all of the info can be exported to an excel file for easy recall later).

• The NRHP Database can be found at: [1]
• The NHL Database can be found at: [2]

Hope that helps. IvoShandor 20:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA noms

I have to say, I don't think it is necessary to nominate every single collaboration as a GA. Review the criteria, then if you think it qualifies, nominate it. IvoShandor 09:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please note

I'm in the middle of moving, transferring all my phone, internet, electric, etc. accounts and unpacking, and I'm going out of town next week, so I probably won't be very active for a couple weeks. TheQuandry 18:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Good luck with the move. You presence is missed. Come back soon. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 15:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK frustration

I have been getting frustrated finding interesting facts and not getting DYKs recently. I think we should make it official policy that only DYK-eligible articles can be nominated. Thus, only articles that are currently less than 1500 characters would be eligible. I will institute this with next week's nominations if there is no objection. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 15:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)