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[edit] RECENT ACTIVITY

Have you been working on a Brisbane related stub or article? Let other Wikipedians know so they can review and improve Brisbane articles.

Use this space to list recent activity
  • I have been adding the "WikiProject Brisbane" template to most of the Brisbane-related 'Talk' pages.
  • I have been adding {{BrisSuburbBox | To some of the northern suburb pages
  • Adding {{BrisSuburbBox | to some western suburbs

Could someone add Australia TradeCoast to the project and Wikify it? Sorry, I'm not expert enough to handle this myself.

[edit] Stub templates

Discussion on the naming of stub templates relating to this and other Australian city wikiprojects is in progress at WP:WSS/P#Australian cities. Feel free to comment. Grutness...wha? 01:42, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] I propose a rewrite.

The Brisbane page is in dire need of reform. There are stacks of little mistakes within the prose, there are too many hotlinks, too many lists, not enough flesh in important sections, and definately not up to the strengths of other cities' Wiki pages. Brisbane has always been pushed behind the crowd, why not invest some serious time in this project to bring it up to scratch?

See Talk:Brisbane for more indepth information on what may need to be done for starters. James Pinnell 02:58, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

So get writing! :) Ambi 05:07, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
Hahaha. I'd prefer to colaborate with others before I completely overhault it! Isn't that why we have project pages :P James Pinnell 05:25, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] article with no category

Paddington tram depot fire has no category. I've assigned it to Category:History of Brisbane for now, but I think it could do with some help. -- Adz 04:14, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


I agree with putting it in history categoryPaddington62 03:31, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I see someone has added it to the transport in Brisbane category too - thanks !Paddington62 09:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Template

I've created {{WPBrisbaneNotice}} for the WikiProject Brisbane. It can be placed on the talk pages of Brisbane related articles. -- Adz|talk 03:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tasks Template

I created Template:Brisbane tasks based on Template:Canberra tasks and thought it might help give people some ideas to get started. It is located on the Wikiproject Brisbane main page. I'm not precious about the content so please feel free to make changes and discuss articles that need attention either here or at Template talk:Brisbane tasks. I thought about creating Wikipedia:WikiProject Brisbane/Featured workup based on Wikipedia:WikiProject Canberra/Featured workup and including a link but decided to hold off for now and wait until we get some momentum on the Brisbane wikiproject. Feel free to start it. -- Adz|talk 10:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BrisSuburbBox

I have created a suburb box, similar to the Melbourne one, which I rather like. For its usage, see Sandgate, Queensland. Now we can quibble about such things as whether Bardon is west or northwest of Paddington, and the like!

Any comments? Lankiveil 08:50, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it looks good. There is also a table at Toowong which I created based on the table used in Canberra suburbs articles. Feel free to change it to resemble the one you created. -- Adz|talk 02:32, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I like yours too, if I'd known about it before I made mine, I'd have used yours as a template! Lankiveil 06:47, 18 March 2006 (UTC).

Not bad. I have had a longstanding plan to add infoboxes to Brisbane suburbs but I haven't even managed to write the articles for the suburbs yet. This is a nice idea for navigation. Probably though, you might need to reword it if you're going to include Moreton Bay (not really a suburb) and places that surround the north and south (Pine Rivers Shire, Beaudesert Shire and so on). Grace Note 11:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I really like the box and have started adding it to a few western suburbs. I think we need some agreed approaches. For example if you come up against the Brisbane River or Mt Coot-tha, then what goes into the box - the "obstruction", or the suburb (if any) on the other side of the obstruction?. Also I think when you come to the CBD, the visible text should be "Central Business District", but the link should be to Brisbane article. What do others think? Paddington62 09:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I've been putting the box in a few suburbs, as I roam around our virtual city. I changed the box's heading to "Brisbane suburb and locality". I did this 'coz there were times when there wasn't a suburb, (usually on the edge of town) but there was a suitable locality - such as Mt Coot-tha or Brisbane Forest Park, that have articles. The other thing I'm finding as I put the box in suburbs is that there isn't a neat compass bearing alignment between suburbs, so occasionally they don't match up. I'm also treating suburbs on opposite sides of the river as adjacent, even thought in the real world often there really miles apart by road.Paddington62 08:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

New Farm article refers to Brunswick St running north-south. It's probably closer to east west (or south-east to north-west) than north-south. Merthyr Road is more the latter orientation. Are people happy if I go ahead and change it ? Paddington62 09:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team cooperation

Hello. I'm a member of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing articles using these criteria, and we are are asking for your help. As you are most aware of the issues surrounding your focus area, we are wondering if you could provide us with a list of the articles that fall within the scope of your WikiProject, and that are either featured, A-class, B-class, or Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Do you have any recommendations? If you do, please post your suggestions at the listing of all active Places WikiProjects, and if you have any questions, ask me in the Work Via WikiProjects talk page or directly in my talk page. Thanks a lot! Titoxd(?!? - help us) 18:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking giving Brisbane a B status? It might be an A class, but I'm not sure. Thoughts, people?Iorek85 02:06, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
It's definately not A-class, though one might front an argument for it qualifying as a "good article". But only just.--cj | talk 01:26, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Double Vision

Vision Brisbane and Vision Tower are identical articles. --WikiCats 13:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CityTrain station templates

Brunswick Street
Airport Line
Nambour and Gympie North Line
Caboolture Line
Doomben Line
Ferny Grove Line
Shorncliffe Line
Exhibition Line
Street Brunswick Street
Suburb Fortitude Valley
TransLink zone 1
Distance from Central Station 1.33km
Number of platforms 4
Platform architecture 4 island
Access by Main entrance via Valley Metro
Train transfer Yes
Bus transfer Yes, at Brunswick Street
Park 'n' Ride no
Lifts unknown
Escalators 0
Ticket Vending Machines (TVMs) Yes
Public telephones Yes
Public toilets Yes
Wheelchair access Handicapped/disabled access unknown

I've decided to add some station templates (similar to the Perth/Sydney ones) to all inner-city railway stations, and have trialled it at selected outer suburban railway stations (Newmarket, Enoggera, Caboolture and Landsborough). It has been edited around to Brisbane standards, and would like to hear any thoughts/comments on it before I continue any further, scrap it, or just keep it to the inner-city stations. Furthermore, any photos on most train stations would be good! The template is at CityTrain Station. --Arnzy (whats up?) 13:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore, a suggestion is that the infobox on a major PT station/interchange could be also added to the wharves, or bus stations, should it be useful to the respective articles. --Arnzy (whats up?) 14:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
A generic one for bus and busway stations and ferry wharves would be a good idea, similar to the existing one. Maybe have a little ferry, bus, or train icon for the dominant mode. Any bus one would resemble the Transperth boxes with appropriate differences. SM247 12:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
The template for the bus stations is at Template:TL Bus Station, I've trialled the infobox at Caloundra Bus Station. --Arnzy (whats up?) 10:21, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Done the ferry wharf template, which is at Template:Brisbaneferries Wharf, It's being trialled at South Bank 1 & 2 wharf. --Arnzy (whats up?) 10:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

The template could do with a staffed/unstaffed entry. Jammo (SM247) 00:22, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Good point, I'm still wondering whether to eliminate phones/toilets and merge them into a "station facilities" entry, which just links it to the appropriate station page on the CityTrain site (Their station pages only lists the station facilities (toilets/phones/etc). --Arnzy (whats up?) 00:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Also, how about Template:TL_Busway_Station? It could be the same as the bus station one except with platform entries rather than stands and the busway logo at Image:Brisbane_busway_logo.gif instead of the generic one. Jammo (SM247) 00:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
There's no reason why this template should use italics in all the fields. Plain and bold text would be a lot more readable and suits the information just as well. (JROBBO 12:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Brisbane People

Hi everyone, when you edit an article about a person who lives in Brisbane, add [[Category:People of Brisbane]] to the bottom of the page. I just added this to Alasdair Duncan. I also created the Nick Earls page a while ago, but I don't read his books. Perhaps someone who does read him would like to expand the page? --Grace 01:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brisbane-stub and suburbs of Brisbane

What would be a better stub for the suburbs of Brisbane pages, QLD Geo Stub or Brisbane Stub? Nicko6 01:21, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

There seem to be a lot more Brisbane suburb articles that use the 'Qld Geo Stub' than the Brisbane stub. Having said that though, I think that there are enough stubs to warrant the creation of a 'Brisbane suburb stub' template. What does everyone think? -- Adz|talk 03:30, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
actually, I've just browed through the Qld geo stubs. There are way too many of them. I think a lot of them should be changed to Brisbane stubs, or Brisbane suburb stubs. I think we should get somebody who does stub sorting to advise us. I'll post a message on the WP:AWNB -- Adz|talk 03:33, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Melbourne has a melbourne-geo-stub, so I don't see any reason why Brisbane shouldn't have the same. :) Rebecca 03:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I've jumped the gun a bit and created {{Brisbane-suburb-stub}}. I've since discovered that you're supposed to go through a process at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals before creating a new stub template. (oops). So we shouldn't start using the new template yet in case it gets deleted. I'll put a proposal up at at the proposals page and see what happens. Perhaps Rececca is right though and we should delete the Brisbane suburb stub template and replace it with a Brisbane geo stub template. Having said that though, there aren't too many articles under Category:Brisbane stubs so perhaps and Brisbane geo stub articles could go there. -- Adz|talk 04:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't see any need to make a request of it, as it seems fairly clear-cut, but using geo-stub from the beginning will avoid having to change it later, when the standardisation folks notice. Rebecca 05:15, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
This template is now listed at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. Rebecca is right - all Australian cities which had suburb-stubs had them changed over several months ago to city-specific geo-stubs, for use with both suburbs and urban features like parks, streams, hills etc. Having a Brisbane-suburb-stub actually reduces the potential for this stub, as it wouldn't be usable for other Brisbane geographic features, and having a Brisbane-suburb-stub where every other city with a WikiProject and a separate stub has a geo-stub is a bit weird. Perhaps if you'd spotted the link further up this talk page this wouldn't have happened... Grutness...wha? 07:00, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I've created {{Brisbane-geo-stub}} and have gone through Category:Queensland geography stubs and pulled out all the ones I could find that were about Brisbane and switched them over. I may have missed a few so if anybody wants to go through the list again and see if you come up with any others, that would be good. -- Adz|talk 08:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translink operator infobox.

Would it be feasable to have a TransLink Operator infobox? It would contain information such as Hubs, Number of Services, Route Numbers (e.g for Thompsons 671- 675) Service districts, (e.g Brisbane North) etc? There are over 16 operators and all of them need to have similar info on their pages (I will try and get aroud to writing them all). It may just be 'Bus Operator Template' so it can be used elsewhere as well.
Nicko6 06:25, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

  • There is already something similar I wrote for the Bus Station/Interchange pages, do you mean this?
    --Arnzy (whats up?) 09:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Strathpine
Station Overview
Location
Street Dixon Street
Suburb Strathpine
TransLink Region unknown
TransLink zone 5
Facilities
Number of stands / platforms 5
Total number of bus routes 10
Park 'n' Ride yes
Public telephones yes
Public toilets yes
Wheelchair access Handicapped/disabled access unknown
Transfers
Train transfer yes, at Strathpine station



Thompsons Strathpine
Northern Region
Hub/s Strathpine bus station
Depot/s Joyner
TransLink zone/s 5-6
Total number of routes 5
Route Number allowcation 671- 675
Train transfer Yes, Bray Park
10 Trip Tickets no
Disability access Handicapped/disabled access always
    • I was thinking of a mutation of your infobox for the actual operators, example on right is for Thompsons. It could contain more information than this. Is this necessary? It could be used not just for operators in SEQ.

Nicko6 11:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

      • TL operators include bus/ferry/train operators so I modified a bit with the codes thus it can be used for other operators as well. Also I changed the design a bit to have it looks similar to other TL infoboxes matt-(my page-leave me a message) 03:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Join

How do i join this project? --Kiran90 10:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

To join you put your name down on the project page (ie, the thing behind this talk page). Then you look at what has to be done for the project and do what you can. Ansell 11:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charles Packenham Buchanan needs help.

Tripped over Charles Packenham Buchanan while doing some housekeeping work. Categorizing mostly. Someone here might be able to help it out. He was apparently Lord Mayor around 1909. thought you all might like to check it out. --Jayron32 04:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scouts and guides?

Is it appropriate for Scout dens and Guide halls be noted on suburb pages? Other community groups such as Rotary, Apex, etc as well?

--RobBrisbane 06:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that Rimmeraj recently deleted my links (to community groups meeting at the Taringa Scout Den (on Taringa,_Queensland), labelling them as spam links.

I used the link to Eldorado cinemas (on Indooroopilly,_Queensland) as an example.

Should these be links have been a citation / reference? Or should I have put in an external links section as per WP:External_links?

The links were to the scout group's official website / websites of other organizations. --RobBrisbane 03:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC) /revised 08:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi RobBrisbane, I removed the links because they should link to a wiki article, not to the official website. If you wish to add information about the scout group, you need to create a wiki article for the group, and then maybe add an external link to the end of that article. The external link should only appear in the article that the link relates, i.e. only external links that directly relate to Taringa should be included. why? because if every group, organisation and business in the suburb adds an external link it becomes a big link directory rather than a true source of information about the suburb.
The comment about the links being SPAM were more related to the Yoga and Karate links that were removed at the same time. These links have no real relevance to the suburb other than they are located there.
Rimmeraj 02:23, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 16:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CityTrain Station Templates

The new template additions are very confusing... what's with the box under the station picture? Is it a region, a line, or what? To someone who doesn't know anything about the network it is confusing and even useless. Explain it or it should be deleted. There wasn't anything wrong with the original box; I don't know why anyone had to change it. JROBBO 22:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

There are a few reasons for the new infoboxes (ferry/bus/train stations):
-1. There are too many boxes (as you suggested)
-2. TL coordinates all the services, so some consistency might as well be needed
-3. Current infoboxes‘ lack of apparent information regarding the area served


Thus I bring up the new design:
-1. Grouping infoboxes together (putting route info to station info)
-2. To have every single station infobox look almost the same


Problems I encountered so far:
-1. Region mistaken as line
-2. line is not readable
-3. confusing


So that's the summary.


Now my turn to respond:
-Regions: needed or not
I do wonder if it's important to put in regions. I'm quite sure "Rosewood railway station, Queenslad" gives no hint or whatsoever where that place might be judging from first glance of the page in either way. (Rosewood line? Western Region?) It's pretty much the same for bus and ferry infoboxes as well in the same sense (by first glance that is), like if someone would know instantly wheree Capalaba and Eastern Region are. If it has to be removed, all shoud have it removed.

-Lines: not readable
I am trying to cut down redundant information. Who really needs to be reminded Loganlea station is served by Gold Coast Line and Beenleigh Line all the time? It gives the pain of either a. put it in the lower region of the infobox along with IB/OB, or b. separate them (meaning replication of information) As the bottomost Train station box already names the lines already, it is too much obsession to have it again seriously, in addition to the paragraph. I'm trying to come up with something more readable like below (abeit a bit smaller probably in the infobox)

Train navigation
Inbound Outbound
Nambour and Gympie North Line
Roma Street Brunswick Street

A line is something like "Brisbane South Line" not just "Brisbane South". It is not as easily idenfitied like for example "Bakerloo" and people instantly knows it is a line. If one can read clearly (not just glimpsing the top section only) They should know "Northern Region" "Gold Coast" is definitely not a line.


hth, matt-(my page-leave me a message) 01:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suburbs

as part of this project I am attempting to get our suburbs improved. Goal for every suburb (Basic):

  • Create a stub for each suburb in Brisbane, with a brief intro. (Almost Done)
  • use the intro sentence " SUBURB NAME is an outer/outer suburb of Brisbane, Australia and is located X km south/north-west/east of the Brisbane CBD." Second sentence to discuss land use , that states what the suburb is used for (industrial, rural, residential house, residential units, highrise, commercial). Third sentence for attractions, famous people etc.
    • mention if Brisbane River, Moreton Bay, Mnt Coot-tha or other majore landmark borders the suburb.
  • Add the new name place info box template to all suburbs, and specify information. This includes a suburb box to all suburbs, with neighbouring suburbs specified.
    • Adjoining suburbs based on OurBrisbane.com map (which should match other maps anyway). Only adjoining suburbs, not localities, rivers, airports or similar (as this breaks flow between suburbs).
    • ABS Statistics for land area and population.
    • Property Valuation based on reiq.com.au
    • Brisbane City Council is the lga, with the ward that the suburb belongs to as the next line
    • Federal and state electoral districts.
  • add a geo location template to add coordinates in top right, to be added to the geography section.
  • Create a transport section, add links to train stations in suburbs with train stations. Add links to major freeways or highways for suburbs they pass through. Add bus stations if applicable. Break section into 'By Train', 'By Bus', 'By Road', 'By Bicycle', 'By Foot', so that each area can discuss how to get around these ways. For example bicycle paths, bus stops and routes, train stations and lines, walking paths.
  • Ensure all train station, bus station etc articles link to the suburb they are in.

Goal for every suburb (Advanced)

  • Create a history section, add a small summary of history.
  • Add a Geography section, that would include creeks, rivers, hills etc.
  • detail any localities in the suburb
  • Add a Politics section, that discusses local, state and federal seats.
  • Add a Attractions section, that has a 1 paragraph intro to Attractions (see Toowong. This would also include schools, buildings, shopping centres, parks, memorials and facilities.
  • An image on each suburb for the main street, or landmark. (now I really am dreaming).

Ok, so this is a little ambitious, but over time we might get there. Can anyone provide comment, or add anything else they would like to see on each suburb. Rimmeraj 01:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Have to agree with pretty much everything there, although the suburbs that are of decent size could have a small but consistent template for each of the suburb pages (Currently, there are 2 different ones at Toowong and Mansfield) --Arnzy (talk • contribs) 00:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I am currently working on Toowong, to bring up to what is close to the ideal layout. I would then plan to move Mansfield and all others to match. The info box template used on Toowong is a new one that is being used on all places around Australia. (same one as on Brisbane page).

If you folks want a guide as to how to flesh out suburb articles en masse well, you might want to look at the example of Canberra. We got every suburb in the city done in the space of about three months, and a lot of them are at least reasonable and informative stubs, if not full-fledged articles. Rebecca 02:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Based on further feedback from Rebecca, I have changed the above information and also will modify Toowong soon. See my user talk page for the feedback given. This page was recommended: Waterfall Gully, South Australia Rimmeraj 03:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

regarding to a suburb infobox templates with links to all the suburbs I've created two different ones and will add some more soon. Tell me what you think. Click here matt-(my page-leave me a message) 03:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I am not keen to add the info boxes which list all suburbs, but instead use the ones that link to the adjacent suburb with a link to the main list of all suburbs as a seperate page. (See Toowong, Queensland) for example). It does not appear that other cities use a full list of suburbs like you are proposing. Rimmeraj 04:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I misread haha. I didn't get what you meant when I first read your proposal. Now I understand. It's too lengthy actually. matt-(my page-leave me a message) 04:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

{{Infobox Australian Place}} is the standard template; it includes suburb adjacency, so separate templates are not required. With regard to navigation boxes, for Adelaide articles (and Sydney, I think) we have grouped suburbs by LGA, for example {{City of Marion suburbs}}.--cj | talk 16:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Festival Towers

I have noticed on the Wikiproject Brisbane page under the tasks section there is a red link to "Festival Towers" page. A page called "Festival Tower" has been created though. I was wondering since the correct name of the building is in fact Festival Towers, should all the information from the Festival Tower page be copied to a page with the correct name and leave the existing one as a page that redirects to the correctly named one? (This might be a bit confusing, hopefully I have worded it well enough for someone else to understand.) Smickel 3:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I made the edit described above today. A page called "Festival Towers" was created and the the "Festival Tower" page redirects to it. Smickel 5:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
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