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[edit] International terminology
- This topic is continued from an archived discussion
I couldn't figure out an easy way to organize the thread above, but I agree it's very long and wandering. Here's a quick synopsis:
- The same kinds of schools are called different things in different countries. In some cases a single phrase (e.g. "public school") means one thing in one country and a different thing in another country.
- Master Scott Hall has proposed a standardized terminology which is neutral, but is sort of a Wikipedia hybrid, descriptive rather than using one of the countries' terms.
- In addition to article titles, we'd prefer to enforce this standardized terminology in all education-related articles, or at least those with international content.
- Unfortunately, readers won't know our terminology and we'll have editors from various countries constantly "correcting" the words to their own terms.
- In order to address this, one idea was to have a sidebar template explaining (or showing) what the terms mean (sample sidebars shown above).
- We have not agreed either on the terminology or on the content or organization of the proposed sidebar.
Please correct me if this synopsis is incomplete or incorrect. —Wahoofive (talk) 17:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
- This ongoing discussion has led to the development of a sidebar template. Please direct any further discussion on this subject here.
[edit] Project overlap
As mentioned above I've recently set up Wikipedia:WikiProject Education, which is to address the generally poor quality of education-related articles across Wikipedia. I envisage this as being broken into smaller (more manageable) projects, such as this one here. But I also think that more general education articles such as on Pedagogy and Learning should be covered there and not here - otherwise the projects will overlap hugely. In no way do I want to take away from this project - I will be involved in both and I hope others will too - but I just want to keep things a bit tighter. I'm open to suggestions on this, however - and if anyone feels that we need separate projects, please propose them or set them up yourself. I hope that, on the basis of these projects, Wikipedia will start to become truly useful for the full diversity of educators, everywhere. Cormaggio @ 13:04, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
..and as an adjunct to that, and in response to Wahoofive above, I definitely think that Wikipedia is crying out for an education collaboration of the week/fortnight/month - I also think that this should be general "education" and not "alternative education", where the different projects can all nominate their own articles for this week/fortnight/month's choice. Cormaggio @ 13:20, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with the overlap issue. The only reason that many terms, including the ones you mentioned, ended up in the AltEd project was that they needed help, the Ed project did not exist at the time, and that they are critical to many AltEd subjects. Many of these terms are related to educational philosophies on which AltEd subjects are founded. But, I do agree that they fall under Education first. I have no problem moving these articles over to the ProjectEd, with the understanding that we will run into some small grey areas that are a difficult to categorize. The important thing is that they get done, not where they get done. I have a feeling that many of the same people will be involved either way. I would also like to recommend that both Projects put their heads together to solve the terminology issue discussed in the section above. As we now have participants from at least Australia, the UK, & the US, I think we can get a good consensus for the solution. Thanks, Master Scott Hall | Talk 13:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
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- Oh, absolutely, I set up the Education project to be more general in scope and to try to organise all education articles into some form of system. So, I'll go about changing tags and categories, and would appreciate it if others here did likewise (as well as possibly propose new projects). I'll respond to the internationalist discussion above (by the way, I'm Irish, but that would still put me in the British English camp). Thanks. Cormaggio @ 12:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
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- Thanks to both Cormaggio and Master Scott Hall its great to see the project structure for education articles coming together! Its going to significantly facilitate the overall quality of contributions I think and will help guide me at least for where I can usefully direct energy. Well done and thanks to both of you - hope I can help out along the way. - Jtneill - Talk 03:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] SVSer
Hello, did any of you go to the Sudbury Valley School? maybe i know you...
[edit] State run and community run schools
I have looked at the four templates which represent an attempt to organize/standardize terminology used in discussing education.
Speaking as a Canadian (Albertan), none of the options captures our situation.
May I suggest something like the following:
State-run schools (direct administration by a national or state authority, without reference to a locally elected board of trustees or supervisors)
Local government schools (direct administration by a locally elected board of trustees or supervisors, whether or not there is funding and/or general policy and/or program direction from a state authority).
State mandated private schooling (including: charter schools; private schools which are regulated and/or funded by State governments although owned and operated by a society or corporation; home schooling, where it is mandated by the State government)
Independently operated schools (private schools, including those owned by faith organizations, where the state chooses not be regulate and/or fund).
In Canada,the basic assumption of our democratic system is that local government (of schools and of municipalities) is fundamentally different from the government of the provinces and/or the nation. The difference is captured in the term "constituted communities and governments and natural communities and governments". Canadians would use the term "state-run" to describe education in France, for example, but we would never use the term to describe education in Canada. We think of local communities as having government, but we do not think of them as being "of the State". Speaking for myself, I always thought that the American experience similarly distinguished between "remote" government (of the state and the nation), and "local" government (of the municipality, or the school board).
David King 00:40, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
- As said elsewhere (see Talk:Alberta charter schools and User talk:David King charter schools are in no way private. They are a type of public school. They are defined as public by the provincial and state governments that create them. Doing the changes suggested above, would reflect a strong bias of the public school districts. Wikipedia is neither pro- or anti- local school authorities. I do however agree, that "state school" as used in places like Britain, would imply a very different meaning to many Canadians and Americans. One thing, that should happen in school articles, is we should always explcitly state (with a link) who exactly operates the school, which in many article's, is not done. That authority's article, should then give the relevant details. Wikipedia has a lot of indepth school articles, but it is sorely lacking decent school district (or other authority) articles. We know about the school, but not about who's running it. --Rob 02:29, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WikiProject:Children and Youth issues/Studies
I'm currently trying to kick-start an overdue wiki project on issues in politics and sociology (and other areas if there are enough controbutors) which relate directly to children and youth. Currently many of the pages such as Youth rights, listed here, are in a dire need of an overhaul.
Would anyone here be interested in collaborating? I was pleased to see that alternative education had it's own project, and would appreciate any help in getting a wider children & youth project going.
Proposal is here: [1]--Cooper-42 15:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Proposal for Waldorf education project - somewhat overlapping
Hello,
I have proposed to make a project about Waldorf education because the page is a mess and under constant edit wars. I have proposed it as a project, but don't wish to duplicate efforts- would you prefer that we make this a sub-project? Wonderactivist 17:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Howdy! Since we have a full team of four volunteers, I am going to go ahead and add Waldorf Ed as part of this project. I am also making a sub-project page for it because it is going to be quite active. Wonderactivist 13:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Unschooling
Perhaps unschooling should be added to the "Refine/Polish" section.
[edit] Project directory
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 21:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Accelerated Christian Education
Hi guys. I see a WikiProject Alternative education tag on the talk page of Accelerated Christian Education. Has anyone had a look there lately?
The article is tagged for clean up and quotes large chunks from the ACE website (possibly a copyvio) and critical studies into ACE. The talk page is a full of people asking questions or putting their point of view about ACE.
I have some practical experience with the topic of the article, but little experience writing about education systems. I see it is on your Cleanup list and I'd be happy to help (I've done a bit already), but could someone from here take a look as well? Blarneytherinosaur talk 04:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I decided to start a rewrite of Accelerated Christian Education. You can edit the draft at Accelerated Christian Education/draft. Please give you opinons at Talk:Accelerated Christian Education Blarneytherinosaur talk 02:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 22:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Request for Comment Waldorf Education
Please see Talk:Waldorf education#Request for Comment - we need input on if the article has improved or not. In particular whether it is still unbalanced with respect to NPOV, written in a brochure style or deals with controversies in an inappropriate manner. Thanks in advance. 17:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
