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If there are any hurricane/typhoon/cyclone articles that you think should be created, list them here. It will go like this. Note: Not all of these will get an article. It is simply a list. Feel free to debate. Hurricanehink

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[edit] General

  • Outflow (meteorology)- Most tropical cyclones would link there if it existed
  • Politics of tropical cyclones- Could cover censorship of tropical cyclones, also instances in which Hurricane Hunters couldn't enter tropical cyclones due to them being located in forbidden Cuban airspace (such as Hurricane Alberto (1982))
  • List of tropical cyclone warning breakpoints
    • Ideal info for it would include history of the breakpoints, though just listing the breakpoints could work. Maybe include tropical cyclones which had the largest area of warning breakpoints, breakpoints which were the most common, or breakpoints that were the least common. Unofficial ones could be included, such as Canada breakpoints for the Atlantic basin. If a worldwide viewpoint would be too difficult, it could be List of National Hurricane Center tropical cyclone warning breakpoints or, ideally, a much shorter title. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • List of North Carolina hurricanes- U.S. area that receives the most hurricanes after Florida (which already has a list article), plenty of data out there
  • Pacific typhoon- Potentially useful article, though would need a lot of research
  • North Indian cyclone- Potential useful article, though would need a good bit of research
  • Tropical cyclone report- Formerly Preliminary report, it would be useful to have a centralized place for it
    • Either the above could work, specifically for the NHC, or maybe a different title would be needed for a worldwide article. Hurricanehink (talk) 19:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Banding feature - Important part of structure of TC's
  • Central dense overcast - Fairly important part of TC structure

[edit] Storms

[edit] Retired WPAC Storms

[edit] Atlantic Storms

See also List of deadliest Atlantic hurricanes.

[edit] Pre-1800

Yes, if information can be found. Same with all the other historic storms mentioned below up to 1949. It's amazing what we can find in hurricanes past! CrazyC83
True, but nearly every one before 1800 only has death stats. Look at the Great Storm of 1780, not much can be said aside from location and effects. Hurricanehink
Maybe, until research is done, we could give them sections of a broader page, such as Historic Atlantic hurricanes. CrazyC83
That is an awesome idea! It might be a little reduntant with the seasonal pages, but I think that sort of page could emcompass many of these early hurricanes. Hurricanehink
Agreed with Hink. Crazy C's idea is probably the best idea, because info on all these old storms is sketchy at best. Hurricane Eric
The question is, what do we do with the seasonal articles? For this storm, the information that exists says it killed 1000 people as it moved through the Gulf of Mexico in early 1590. This means we will have three places for these deadly storms; Decadal articles, List of deadliest Atlantic hurricanes, and Historic Hurricanes. Maybe we could add storm summaries beneath the list of deadliest Atlantic hurricanes, rather than creating an article to say most of the same information. Hurricanehink
Of course, all that would be a placeholder; if enough information is found, the articles are ripe for the taking. CrazyC83 19:48, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
True. So how should we do this? Put every one of these old hurricanes in the file. What will define as a historic hurricane? What about Unnamed but historically significant hurricanes from the list of notable tropical cyclones? What is the time period for this? Hurricanehink
What about extending List of deadliest Atlantic hurricanes to include more information, in prose form, on the deadliest? Jdorje 18:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
That sounds good. Anyone else agreed? Hurricanehink
OK, I say none of these before 1800 should have should have an article unless there is a lot of information (other than death toll and location). Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1800s

No, due to lack of good info. Hurricane Eric
Agreed. It should just have a part in the deadly hurricanes page. Hurricanehink
Possible, but not likely yet. Hurricanehink
Yes, if the information is found. CrazyC83
Yes, per above. I also vote renaming it the Golden Isles Hurricane of 1893 because that's the name of the region it struck. Trust me, I live in Georgia and have a condo down there. The islands from Jacksonville to Charleston are called the Golden Isles by the locals. They used to be called the Sea Islands (hence the name for the 1893 Sea Islands Hurricane in August of that year.) Hurricane Eric

[edit] 1900-1949

It is worthy but info may be scarce. If good info is found, I say yes, otherwise debatable. Hurricane Eric

Isn't that the problem for all of them? Agreed for any 1000+ deaths one that has enough info. Hurricanehink
Again, the deaths demand an article but the info must be found first. The Monthly Weather Review is sketchy and I know no other source. Hurricane Eric
Moderate Yes Storm05 15:58, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Death toll screams yes, but info is scant. Debatable. Hurricane Eric
Only Category 5 Atlantic hurricane without an article, yet it did make landfall as a cat5. Can info be found? Jdorje 17:59, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
I vote no, didn't do too much, info is miniamal and it didn't make landfall, tiny islands don't count. -- §Hurricane ERIC§ archive -- my dropsonde 02:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Not the only Cat5 Atlantic without an article-Cleo (1958) is the other.Mitchazenia V3.0 21:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I vote no for now based on the fact that info is going to be slim. Hurricane Eric
Conditional Yes: info may be scant but this storm is worthy. Hurricane Eric.

No based on minimal info. Hurricane Eric

[edit] 1950-1969

Big no. Not notable enough. Hurricanehink
You apparantly mis-read. There were 600 destroyed houses, but Cuba's warning system allowed for no deaths. There is a lot of information in the Monthly Weather Review, possibly enough, so it's debatable. Hurricanehink
But the Weather Underground web site has Hurricane Fox death toll at 600.Storm05 14:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Neither of those are fully reliable sources. The Monthly Weather Review was written monthly, and can easily contain errors. Compared to Weather Underground which is simply unofficial. The place to go is the NHC's list. This does indeed list fox as causing either 0 or 600 deaths. They've got sources for both numbers so you could track down the original data to resolve the question. Jdorje 18:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
While the deaths might say yes, there is next to no information on this storm. If there's information, then yes, but otherwise, no. Hurricanehink
Not notable enough. No. Hurricanehink
Cat. 5 hurricane doesn't mean it should have an article. No. Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Not enough information or notability. Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
How much is severe? Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I dont know since many internet sources said that the damage from Frances is ether "severe" or "considerable". Storm05 17:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Considering you can't even find a damage total, I would say huge no. Hurricanehink 17:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Not notable enough. Hurricanehink
Loads of info on this one in NHC archive. Hurricanehink (talk) 05:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Not notable enough. Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
And why? you must state the reason the storm was not notable enough for an article just saying "not notable enough" does not impress me. very weak yesStorm05 17:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
OK. Lots of storms strike Atlantic Canada and cause moderate damage. Big no, especially considering you can't find statistics. Hurricanehink 17:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Probably some damage. Until you find out how much and if it's high enough (over $100 million 2005 USD), big no. Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Its not my fault that the damage from Celia is unknown, record keeping back then was tedious. weak yes Storm05 17:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Then why would you write an article on it?!?! Hurricanehink 17:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Not notable enough. Possibly some damage? Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
see above, debby hit as a strong Category 1 hurricane and i said before damage figures form storms at that time period was scant. Storm05 17:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
And I said that if you don't have simple statistics like damage or deaths, how could you possibly write an article? Hurricanehink 17:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Not enough information. Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
you need look harder on the internet to find that info possibly on the Panama Metorlogical sites. Storm05 17:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I need to? I don't see the need for an article. Whoever supports is the person who needs to provide the necessary information. As of now, I don't see anything outside of $30 million in damage and some deaths. Hurricanehink 17:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1970s

Info typically doesn't mean it deserves an article. Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Info typically doesn't mean it deserves an article. Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
And?? Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Thats all I know off Beth hit Atlantic Canada as a strong Cat hurricane. Storm05 17:19, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Then why should it get an article. Hurricanehink 17:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Actually, maybe it could now, given its damage and flooding. Hurricanehink (talk) 05:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
There is enough info, but Irene caused no damage or deaths. It is doable, based on track and rainfall amounts, as well as a rare Atlantic to EPAC crossover storm. Weak to moderate yes. Hurricanehink 23:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Agreed here as well. CrazyC83
I say no. It did minimal damage and a crossover isn't notable enough to justify an article. -- Hurricane Eric archive -- my dropsonde 05:19, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Now that I think about it, you're right. There's no actual information on damage. I change my vote to a no. Hurricanehink
Not notable enough. Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
It caused TEN deaths so this storm must be notable (perhaps one of these storms of the 1973 Atlantic hurricane season must be notable some how). weak yes Storm05 17:19, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Not notable enough. Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Not notable enough. Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Not notable enough. Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Not notable enough. Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes Storm05 19:58, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Why? Hurricanehink 17:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Hurricane Babe (1977) - Former article, $10+ million in damage
  • Hurricane Ella (1978)-1978 Atlantic hurricane season-Category 4 hurricane, struck Newfoundland, moderate damage.
Not notable enough. Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
wrong, this storm did enough damage so this must have a separate article. Storm05 17:19, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
How much damage?! Hurricanehink 17:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1980s

No way. Unusual formations don't warrant articles unless they are extreme, and a November hurricane in that location is not extreme. Hurricanehink
I believe you mean 1984 (Fran in 1990 remained away from the Cape Verdes and struck the Windward Islands). If it is the 1984 one, 32 would be notable enough for an article, but it would be hell getting enough information for an article. Look at 1982's Beryl. It killed over 100, yet there is very little information. Hurricanehink
Should this be moved to the 1980's section? -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive 01:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Eh, Hink-i've checked and both 1984 and 1990's Frans never did anything.Mitchazenia V3.0 19:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Nope. 1984's Fran killed 32 people in Cape Verde, straight from NHC. I moved the section because it was indeed in 1984. Hurricanehink (talk) 19:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1990s

Though it caused 8 deaths, there is too little information on this system, especially due to the fact it didn't actually make landfall. Hurricanehink
Not enough info. The deaths weren't entirely caused by the depression. Hurricanehink 16:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2000s

  • Hurricane Florence (2000)- 3 indirect deaths
  • Hurricane Isaac (2000)- 2 deaths, most recent storm without article to cause deaths, long storm history

[edit] Storm Sub-articles

  • Effects of Hurricane Andrew in the Bahamas
  • Effects of Hurricane Andrew in Florida
  • Effects of Hurricane Andrew in Alabama
  • Effects of Hurricane Isabel in Virginia- Major part of the Isabel series
    • I'm currently working on this one in my sandbox. Hurricanehink (talk) 19:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Effects of Hurricane Frances in the Bahamas
  • Effects of Hurricane Frances in Florida
  • Meteorological history of Hurricane Ivan
  • Effects of Hurricane Ivan in the Lesser Antilles
  • Effects of Hurricane Ivan in Florida
  • Effects of Hurricane Ivan in Alabama
  • Effects of Hurricane Jeanne in Puerto Rico
  • Effects of Hurricane Jeanne in Haiti
  • Effects of Hurricane Jeanne in Florida
  • Effects of Hurricane Dennis in Florida
  • Effects of Hurricane Katrina in Florida
  • Effects of Hurricane Rita in Florida
  • Effects of Hurricane Rita in Louisiana
  • Effects of Hurricane Rita in Texas
  • Hurricane Rita tornado outbreak
  • Effects of Hurricane Wilma in Mexico
  • Effects of Hurricane Wilma in Cuba
  • Effects of Hurricane Wilma in Florida

[edit] Eastern Pacific Storms

[edit] Pre-1980

  • 1943 Unnamed Mexico Hurricane- Killed 100
Way to little info. I found some minor info about that in the 1943 Monthly Weather Review, but I doubt there is enough information for a full article. It formed, strengthened, hit land, and killed 100. Not too much else you can say. Hurricanehink
Actually, the Monthly Weather Review might have enough information. Small to moderate yes. Hurricanehink
  • Hurricane Tara (1961)
Its 430 to 500 deaths makes it the 4th deadliest Pacific hurricane in the 20th century. I say yes contingent on finding good info. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 18:31, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Hurricanehink 16:19, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I say yes. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline
Sounds good. Hurricanehink
Agreed, I vote yes. CrazyC83
  • Hurricane Norman (1978)- $300 million in damage in California from remnant rainfall

[edit] Post-1980

  • Tropical Storm Lidia (1981)- 73 deaths in Mexico
  • Hurricane Norma (1981)- $84 million and 1 death in Mexico, $50 million and 5 deaths in Texas
  • Tropical Storm Octave (1983)- 14 deaths and $370 million in damage in Arizona
  • Hurricane Tico (1983) - 10 deaths with about 100 missing (at preliminary count, there's probably a higher total now), Cat. 3 Mexican landfall, moderate damage in Oklahoma from remnants flooding
Yes. I know Miss Madeline was working on one in a sandbox, but I don't know if she still is. Hurricanehink (talk) 20:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Hurricane Estelle (1986)- 2 million in damage to Hawaii, 2 deaths
I say very weak no, but if someone splits off an article because its section is too long I won't object. An article won't add anything new besides an infobox and possible picture, though. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
No, mainly because of lack of info. -- Hurricane Eric archive -- my dropsonde 02:50, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
There might be enough info. Possibly. Hurricanehink 16:19, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Hurricane Cosme (1989) 30+ deaths, contributed to Allison in the Atlantic.
The preliminary report is available. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 22:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Maybe it can have its own section in the Allison article. Many sources say Cosme's circulation was the same as Allison's circulation (rare EPAC to Atlan storm). I would be fine if someone made a Cosme article, but it could have its place in Allison's. Hurricanehink
In that case, shouldn't we just rename Allison 1989 to Hurricane Cosme-Allison? Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:33, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Maybe, but I'm waiting for a consensus here. Hurricanehink
I like Hink's idea about a section for both storms. I am against renaming though since Cosme not only weakened to a tropical depression, it degenerated to a remnant low before becoming Allison. Hurricane Eric
Agreed, each article should be separate but linked as Cosme degenerated. Multi-name articles should only apply for storms that actually cross over intact and change names (that would keep the name under current rules). CrazyC83
Ugh, just checked NHC. Like usual, there is very little info. According to the report, Cosme caused 30 deaths. That's about it. No reports of actually impact of the storm. I say No for its own article, and Moderate yes as its own section of Allison. Hurricanehink

I've found some Info at the AMS page of the season. Are you still willing to try it- I can try throwing some info together.Mitchazenia(almost 8800+edits) 20:37, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Hurricane Virgil (1992)- Hundreds of homes damaged and 1 missing in Mexico
  • Hurricane Winifred (1992)- $5 million in damage in Mexico
  • Tropical Storm Beatriz (1993) - $1.3 billion in damage in Mexico per [1]
  • Hurricane Fernanda (1993)- Very heavy surf on Hawaii, good amount of info out there
  • Hurricane Rosa (1994)- Heavy Mexican damage, multiple deaths, good amount of info
  • Hurricane Alma (1996)-1996 Pacific hurricane season- killed 14 people.
If there's enough information then possibly. Hurricanehink
6 deaths is too minimal for an article, unless sufficient information can be found. For example, did it caused the highest rainfall totals in a particular location, did it burst a dam, did it do anything special? If yes, then maybe, but likely no right now. Hurricanehink
Now that we don't care about notability, this could possibly get one, contingent on info Hurricanehink (talk) 20:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Hurricane Carlotta (2000)- 18 deaths from boat sinking, second strongest June hurricane ever.
Unusual choice that I thought I'd throw out there. I vote no (yea, I nominated it), but someone who likes EPAC storms might be able to put a good article together given how recent it was. Hurricanehink
I don't have a lot of EPAC knowledge. On the fence, that would be one to throw a sandbox article and evaluate. CrazyC83
Damage was fairly light. But I feel bad for those 18 people and that boat was probably pretty expensive. I don't know, debatable. Hurricane Eric
The Lithuanian freighter M/V Linkuva was lost, en route to Long Island, California. Nothing else for impact, other than tropical storm and hurricane watches and warnings. There was, however, important reconaissance missions flown in during the rapid intensification cycle, showing the difference between dvorak and reconaissance, curtosy of here. Hurricanehink
I think yes due to the research done in Carlotta. Carlotta is also the deadliest Pacific hurricane so for this century. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline
Wow, that's amazing that this was the deadliest EPAC cane of this century. Weak yes Hurricanehink
The century's only 5 years old, Hink. -- §Hurricane ERIC§ archive -- my dropsonde 02:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Good point. Still, Weak yes for this storm, as long as there is sufficient impact and trivia. Hurricanehink 02:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Hurricane Fausto (2002)- Long and interesting storm history, maybe records or impact
  • Hurricane Kenneth (2005)- Long and interesting storm history, Hawaii impact

[edit] Western Pacific Storms

  • Great Typhoon of 1937
No, based on lack of info. Hurricane Eric
Agreed. Hurricanehink
Debatable. As I am remodling the whole season, it might make it- I found a bunch a paper articles about her.Mitchazenia V3.0 21:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Typhoon Pamela (1976)- Damage to Guam (don't have exact figures at hand)
  • Typhoon Ruth (1980)-106 dead
  • Typhoon Betty (1980)-81 deaths
  • Typhoon Kelly (1981)-200 deaths
  • Typhoon Lee (1981)-2700 deaths and third deadliest tropical cyclone to hit the Philippines
  • Typhoon Cecil (1982)- 35 deaths
  • Typhoon Nancy (1982)-181 deaths, $46 million dollars in damage.
  • Tropical Storm Susan (1984)-33 deaths
  • Typhoon Agnes (1984)- 564 deaths
Yes if good info can be found. Hurricane Eric
  • Typhoon Cecil (1985)- 702 casualties
Strong yes Hurricane Eric
  • Tropical Storm Vera (1989)- 500 casualties
  • Typhoon Yancy (1990)- 216 deaths, $170 million in damage
Yes. Yancy is one of the most famous typhoons in Japan. Off course there is a Japanese article of this storm. --HERB 10:41, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Typhoon Yuri (1991)- Strongest storm of the year, $38 million in damage
I personally vote no, but it is debatable. Hurricanehink
  • Typhoon Lola- 1993, 308 deaths
  • Typhoon Fred- 1994, 1,000+ fatalities, billions in damage in China
Yes. Hurricanehink
Yes, per above. -- Hurricane Eric archive -- my dropsonde 03:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Typhoon Angela (1995)- 600+ casualties, pic uploaded
Moderate yes. Strong, deadly, and Philippine name retired. Hurricanehink
Yes, per above. -- Hurricane Eric archive -- my dropsonde 03:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Typhoon Winnie (1997) - the most damaging storm in China in late 90s, hundreds of deaths confirmed by the government and a lot more not confirmed, influence of its remnants spreaded as far as Heilongjiang Momoko 05:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Typhoon Linda (1997)- 330 deaths
  • Supertyphoon Bart (1999) - struck Japan, 30 deaths.
  • Typhoon Kai-Tak (2000) - 188 dead.
Which one? There've been two. -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive 01:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
The one in 2000 Storm05 17:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Typhoon Bilis (2000) - 79 deaths and over $500 million in damage
  • Typhoon Prapiroon (2000) - 56 deaths
  • Tropical Storm Maria (2000) - 72 deaths and $317 million in damage
  • Typhoon Xangsane (2000) - hit Phillippines, 181 dead.
  • Typhoon Chebi (2001) - 82 deaths, heavy damage
  • Typhoon Durian (2001) - 78 deaths and at least $446 million in damage
  • Typhoon Utor (2001) - 144 deaths and almost $300 million in damage
  • Typhoon Toraji (2001) - 72 deaths and $176 million in damage
  • Tropical Storm Usagi (2001) - 177 deaths and thousands left homeless in northern Thailand
  • Typhoon Nari (2001) - 66 fatalities, unusual track
  • Typhoon Lingling (2001) - 189 fatalities
  • Tropical Storm Linfa (2003) - 41 deaths, heavy damage
  • Typhoon Koni (2003) - Heavy damage in Philippines and southern China
  • Typhoon Nepartak (2003) - 65 deaths, hundreds of millions in damage
  • Typhoon Mindulle (2004) - 56 deaths, $300+ million in damage
  • Typhoon Rananim (2004) - 115 deaths, $4 billion in damage, worst typhoon in China since 1997
  • Typhoon Mawar (2005) — Hurricane Devon ( Talk ) 18:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Tropical Storm Guchol (2005) — Hurricane Devon ( Talk ) 18:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
No to both of the above. Neither are notable enough, especially Guchol; a fish-spinning tropical storm. -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive 01:00, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] North Indian Storms

  • 1864 Calcutta cyclone- Killed 60,000
I vote no. The deaths would scream yes, but the lack of info screams no. At most, more can be added to the Pre-1980 North Indian cyclone seasons, with an appropriate redirect. Hurricanehink
Agreed, but if the information can be found, strong yes. CrazyC83
Therein lies the problem for every pre-1900 storm. All you have is one date for a landfall, and the deaths that happened from the storm. Not much more can be said. Hurricanehink
  • Cyclone 3A (1998)- 1,126 fatalities, $290 million in damage (1998 USD)
  • Cyclone 4B (1999)- 80 deaths, prelude to devestating storm weeks later, possibly needs different title
  • Tropical Cyclone 3B (2002)- Dozens to hundreds dead, new title would be nice

[edit] Southern Hemisphere Storms

  • Cyclone Giselle- Caused the Wahine Disaster in New Zealand in 1968
  • Cyclone Bola- Caused 3 deaths and heavy damage in New Zealand in 1988
  • Cyclone Firinga- Struck the island of La Reunion in 1989
  • Cyclone Justin- Long lasting Australian cyclone, killed 7 in 1997
  • Cyclone Erica- Devestated South Pacific islands as Cat. 5 in 2003
  • Cyclone Ivy- Heavy damage in Vanatu and New Zealand in 2004

A list of retired names is in Attachment 2B of this WMO document. That's a lot of retired names. Some of them already have articles, BTW. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline

[edit] Seasons

[edit] Atlantic hurricane seasons

[edit] Pacific hurricane seasons

  • 1968 Pacific hurricane season
    • 1969 creates an unusual end to the yearly info, so if it can go back farther it should
  • Post-2007 Pacific hurricane seasons

[edit] North Indian cyclone seasons

  • 2003 North Indian cyclone season- Needed class
  • 2004 North Indian cyclone season- Needed class

[edit] Comments

(moved from here)

Feel free to debate these as well. Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle 00:23, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Feel free to debate any or all of them. Hurricanehink 16:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't think that Kyle and Inga really need articles because it would justify almost any reason to allow an article. Also, while longevity is interesting, it does not necessarily make a cyclone really significant.Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle 00:23, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Agreed on Kyle and Inga. I just put something there so someone would say something! I removed them from the list. Good work on the Ismael article. Nora yes (moved it to request), get Ekeka out of there, Liza and Kathleen would be hard for full article (just add more info in seasonal article for now I guess), hard choice for Fico... I put your list in the suggestions list for one easy list, if that's all right. Hurricanehink 02:04, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I corrected Nora's year to 1997, and removed Liza and Kathleen. I also added Bret from 1993. Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle 17:36, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Should all retired storms, regardless of basin, have their own article (as long as it just wasn't removed)? For example, in the WPAC, there are 11 storms that have been retired since 1979. Should they have their own article? Hurricanehink 17:24, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
I think so. I don't know if they retire names in the Southern Hemisphere, although some names like Tracy would be obvious canditates for being retired. And yes, retired Pacific typhoons should get an article. However, we should wait until the seasons are done so I can list all of the names in the list of notable tropical cyclones article. I intend to create a category:Retired Pacific typhoons category by analogy with Category:Retired Atlantic hurricanes. Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle 00:25, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Agreed on the retired storms. Once you and I finish the WPAC articles (which might not take that much longer) I'll work on some of them (Already did Vamei). What about Pagasa storm names that were retired but not by the WPAC. Angela in 1995 comes to mind. Its Pagasa name was Rosing which was retired, so it was obviously notable, but there are way to many retired storm names that do not deserve their own article. It's all about judgement, which I'm sure most of us will have. Hurricanehink 02:04, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Good work NSLE. Now we need some more requests! Hurricanehink 03:05, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

How about one for Super Typhoon Yuri (1991; currently a redirect)? 885mb, 150kt, $38 million damage, 900 nm eye diameter, most intense cyclone of the year worldwide. Can't find info on deaths, though. NSLE (讨论+extra) 07:54, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Not sure. The information could just be added to the seasonal article. I personally don't think it is quite notable enough for an article, but that's just me. Any other ideas? Hurricanehink 02:55, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I added Nina from 1975 and Frieda from some year in the 1960's (I forget the exact year) Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle

I personally think that every storm on the List of notable tropical cyclones should have their own page. If they're notable, why don't they have an article? If they don't have an article, are they really that notable? I put a list of storms above of storms that are on there that don't have their own article. Remove where you see fit and mention here what you did. Hurricanehink 20:51, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I removed ones I think should not ever have an article, including NY Hurricane (1893), Hurricane Four (1926), Cat. 5 Hurricane Easy (1951), Cat. 5 Hurricane Cleo (1958), Long lasting Hurricane Inga (1969), Arlene (1981), South Atlantic tropical cyclones, Hurricane Patsy (EPAC), Hurricane Winnie (Epac), Alma (Epac), Hali (CPAC), TS 6 (EPAC '06)

In general, I'm in favor of having an article for every Atlantic Cat5 hurricane. Although this doesn't supercede the article length/quality requirement...if there is enough info to justify an article I believe it would be good to have one. Jdorje 07:47, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Normally there's enough information, but storms like Easy in 51 and Cleo in 58 might be hard to get. I would propose them, but the Monthly Weather Archive doesn't have terribly much, and it might get a little boring for the fish storm. We could wait until re-analysis to see if they keep it category 5. Hurdat will possibly get there next year, so that might be a while to wait. Hurricanehink 13:50, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
On another topic, do you favor off-season hurricane articles and long-lasting hurricane articles? Most of the storms that I removed from the list (on this page) were off-season or Cat. 5 fishes. The off-seasoners, while notable, don't have enough data normally for an article. Storms like Peter in 2003 are an example of this. It might be recent, but how much could you write about an off-season storm like that? Also, this is getting a little long. Should it be archived? Hurricanehink 13:50, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't particularly think off-season or long-lasting storms are notable. However for long-lasting storms it's probably worthwhile to make a track map for them. Jdorje 20:46, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Some off season storms are fairly notable, though. Ana was the first tropical storm in April, Lili was a long lasting hurricane in December, Alice spanned 2 calendar years, the Groundhog Day storm was the only February storm, Able was a May Category 3. The question is, do we elaborate more in the seasonal article, or write an article that elaborates like hell? The former might be better. Likewise with long-lasting storms. You are probably right. A track map could be useful, rather than writing a full article for a storm that got lost. Hurricanehink 04:18, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Removed Leslie (too unknown, no damage as a storm), Kyle (boring long-lasting storm), and Peter (December storm, that's it), for these reasons. Hurricanehink 22:54, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Removed TS Frances (somewhat damaging but very short track) and 1908 March cane (not enough info). From EPAC, I removed Gilma (Cat. 5 fish), Ekeka (Cat. 3 January fish), Elida (Cat. 5 fish), Hernan (Cat. 5 fish), Hurricanehink 16:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Removed Typhoon Freda. There already is an article on the extratropical renmant; the Columbus Day Storm of 1962. Hurricanehink 02:14, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Removed EPAC Retired storms (Adele and Iva) because they were fish storms. Names were likely just removed. Hurricanehink 02:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Removed Bridget and Olivia. I replaced the list at the notable storms list with 100+ deaths only. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 21:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Good idea with the deaths. Too many otherwise. I removed Greta and Guillermo. Hurricanehink 23:27, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I added every WPAC typhoon that caused more than 200 deaths. Feel free to remove them if they don't deserve an article. Hurricanehink 01:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

If anyone (including me) makes an article for Liza and Paul, be sure to add template:Deadliest Pacific hurricanes to it and edit the template to reflect the new location. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 00:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Added every 1,000 plus hurricane, and every 50+ storm since 1950.

Support articles for all of them, if the information can be found. CrazyC83 00:40, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Removed Danielle (fish storm, no damage) and Isbell (low damage). I still think Lili (1984) should not have an article. Hurricanehink 21:18, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Removed Ava (per consensus- Cat. 5 fish storm), 12 from 1975 (Not enough information), Madeline (No info), Tina (did little), and 3 WPAC 200 deaths ones (just thought I'd put up those deadly ones).

Removed Kate (2003) (consensus). CrazyC83 02:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Removed Alice (1954) (Lack of info and consensus), Helene (1958) (Lack of info and consensus), and Isbell (1964) (Lack of effects and consensus). Hurricanehink

Removed Typhoon Alice (1979) (Lack of effects, name likely removed) and Edouard (lack of effects and consensus). Hurricanehink 16:21, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Removed Kendra (no info), Inga (Only long lived and consensus), Gerda (already merged and voted upon), Groundhog Gale (not tropical), 1978 January Subtropical Storm (lack of effects or trivia), Charley (lack of effects), as well as high priority section (no need for it).

Removed Jeanne (1980): Fish-spinning storm whose only claim to fame was being a rare Gulf of Mexico fishie. -- §Hurricane ERIC§ archive -- my dropsonde 08:38, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Removed Dorothy, Bonnie (1986), Floyd (1987), Tanya (1995), Dolly (1996), Earl (1998), Arlene (2005), and Tammy (2005). Hurricanehink 13:23, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Removed Bertha, Edouard, Bonnie (1992), Danielle, Felix, Iris, Josephine, Karen, and Bonnie. Hurricanehink 16:13, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Removed Danielle and Hermine, and archived everything older than 1 month old. Hurricanehink 20:24, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Removed Debbie (consensus) and Gordon (already an article). Hurricanehink 22:44, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Removed Pamela and Gabrielle (consensus). Hurricanehink 17:23, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Removed several ridiculous nominations: storms that did less the $50 million in damage and killed less than 5 people. See the history for the specific entries I removed, I don't remember them all. They number something like ten. -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive 01:15, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

As far as I can tell Emmy is the deadliest storm not to have an article. — jdorje (talk) 02:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deadliest named Atlantic storms

This table is a list of the deadliest named storms in the Atlantic that do not have an article. Only direct deaths are included. I'm not saying that all of these storms should have an article (they shouldn't), but it is interesting info. The source for all pre-1996 storms is the NHC. I wasn't particularly rigorous in assembling it so the table may be incomplete (or may become so as articles are added or removed). — jdorje (talk) 20:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Name Year Deaths Comment
Fox 1951 0 or 600 We need to find out which!
Emmy 1976 68 Season article calls these indirect
Alice1 1954 55 What would the article be called???
Dorothy 1970 ≤51 51 could be wrong, see NHC notes
Ella 1958 37-39
Fran 1984 31 More than Hurricane Fran
Gilda 1954 29
Dora 1956 27 Deadlier than Hurricane Dora
This means (unless I missed one) there are only 8 named storms with at least 25 deaths that don't have an article. — jdorje (talk) 20:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Alice1 has next to no information online, so that would be very hard to do. Dorothy probably doesn't have enough information due to time period, though you never know. Ella, Gilda, and Dora are all too old to have useful information, IMO, and Fran's TCR article doesn't even acknowledge the 31 deaths. Fox and Emmy could possibly be made

Update: with the discovery of more recent info, including newspaper archives, I believe Fox, Alice, and Ella could be made. The rest are still iffy. Hurricanehink (talk) 04:05, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I've done a sandbox article on Alice 1 (User:Cuivienen/Sandbox/Hurricane Alice (June 1954)). It only uses information from the Monthly Weather Review, but it should be possible to find a Laredo or Brownsville newspaper from the time, though probably not online. As a stub, I think it's sufficient to stand on its own with the idea of future, deeper delving expanding the article. —Cuiviénen 19:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Costliest named Atlantic storms

Here's a list of the costliest Atlantic storms without articles. Only listed are storms that caused over $10 million in damage. Note: Do not make these articles unless there is enough info. Damage is in 2006 USD.

*Tropical Storm Beryl (1994)- $94 million in SE US; merged

*Tropical Storm One (1987)- $12 million along Gulf Coast *Subtropical Storm One (1982)- $20 million in SE US; mentioned above

  • Hurricane Dennis (1981)- $60 million in SE US; merged
  • Tropical Storm Elena (1979)- $23 million in Texas
  • Hurricane Bob (1979)- $47 million in Gulf Coast
  • Hurricane Babe (1977)- $24 million in Louisiana
  • Subtropical Storm One (1974)- $44 million in SE US
  • Tropical Storm Delia (1973)- $84 million in Texas

*Hurricane Fern (1971)- $151 million in Louisiana and Texas

  • Tropical Storm Debbie (1965)- $126 million in Gulf Coast
  • Hurricane Cindy (1963)- $83 million in Texas
  • Tropical Storm Brenda (1960)- $33 million in SE US
  • Tropical Storm One (1960)- $27 million in south-central US
  • Hurricane Debra (1959)- $47 million in Texas
  • Tropical Storm Esther (1957)- $14 million in Gulf Coast
  • Hurricane Flossie (1956)- $182 million in SE US
  • Hurricane Able (1952)- $21 million in Carolinas; merged
  • Hurricane How (1951)- $16 million in SE US

Again, please don't make an article for any of these unless you found some good information. There is plenty of good information out there, so you'll need to find it. Hurricanehink (talk) 15:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to try to write up an Able (52) article once my computer is fixed. I really believe I can take it. Jake52 My talk 08:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Excellent; good luck with it. Hurricanehink (talk) 15:13, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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