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[edit] Arab Israeli conflict
Interested to hear what people have to say about this article in its current state of disrepair. I must say I've very disappointed: it used to be very good! What do we need to do to sort this out? - Ta bu shi da yu 14:46, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Kirill Lokshin
Ah, the nasty side of summary style that nobody ever discusses ;-)
This article has been killed by excessive branching into sub-articles, basically; so much content has been removed that this is essentially a glorified disambiguation page/linkfarm. I'm not really sure where one would start on this (and this topic is rather outside of my particular ken anyway), but, off the top of my head:
- The most expedient way of filling out the article would be to merge History of the Arab-Israeli conflict back into it. I have no idea why that material was split out, actually; in my view, the basic framework of the article must be the actual narrative of the conflict.
- Turn each of the major see-also links into a section with a two/three paragraph summary of the most salient points and a {{details}} link to the issue. These sections should follow the main body of narrative sections.
- Trim the "See also" and "External links" sections with wild abandon.
Once that's done, there will still be a considerable amount of cleanup required to get the article into a worthy state; but at least there will be some material to work with. Kirill Lokshin 00:20, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] UberCryxic
If we can find someone genuinely interested in the topic, it wouldn't be a bad idea to write it from scratch and ignore the excised material. On top of the military aspects that I presume will be heavily mentioned once this article regains its form, there should also be a discussion of intellectual history and the extensive ideological conflicts simmering beneath the violence. To that end, however, it's currently unclear what aspects the article covers and doesn't cover.UberCryxic 21:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wandalstouring
Views of the Arab-Israeli conflict should be summarized in the article. We can rewrite it from existing material. What we definetly need before writing is clear defintions what to consider, what not.
The Intifada is not included in the article (but Palestine is recognized UN member and member of the Arab League) and joint operations between Israel and groups in the Lebanese civil war is missing, so the reference as conflict in the Middle East looks senseless. Iraq had the idea of sending several rockets towards Israel during the Second Gulf War and Israel developed the Arrow Defence System to counter further threads (from different powers in the region). Furthermore many political leaders in this region do point out conflicts with Israel from time to time (Ahmadinedshad, Saddam Hussein, Assad senior, etc.) and the immigration of Jews from the region to Israel does have origins in behaviours which are argumented to be based on Israel causing problem by sheer existence, etc. I forgot, occupation of parts of Lebanon by Israel and combat against the PLO there. Furthermore the displaced PLO also caused civil war in the kingdom of Jordania. We should discuss an outline of the conflict on the talk page. Wandalstouring 16:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
