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Contents 1 Middle East 2 Egypt 2.1 Ahmed Abd Rapo 3 Iran 3.1 Piruz Dilenchi 3.2 South Azerbaijan National Liberation Movement 3.3 Mehran Ghafourian 4 Iraq 5 Lebanon 5.1 Israeli home front in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict 6 Saudi Arabia 7 Syria 7.1 Afiq 8 Turkey 8.1 Kurdish genocide 8.2 Turkish settlement 8.3 Perim Özgeldi 9 Other 9.1 Talal Abu-Ghazaleh Organization (TAGorg)

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[edit] Egypt

[edit] Iran

[edit] Piruz Dilenchi

Piruz Dilenchi (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View AfD)

Nominated for process - this was previously listed for speedy deletion under db-bio. I have untagged it for speedy as this is clearly inappropriate in this case, since the article clearly asserts notability as both a singer, writer and politician. The article was also tagged as unreferenced, which seems a little unfair as there were quite a number of references - just not correctly added. I've tidied up the "references" section (slightly) as the same time to make it clearer.

There does seem to be confusion over the spelling of his name, with four different spellings used in the article alone - I recognise that this is due to transliteration from a non-Roman alphabet, but if the !vote results in keep a number of redirects will need to be set up. I've not yet done this as it will just mean more work for the closing admin if there's a Delete result.

The AfD discussion for this article's "sister" article is also currently underway, for the record.

Although I'm nominating this for process, my personal !vote as the article currently stands is weak keep although if kept it will need to be tidied up. - Iridescenti (talk to me!) 09:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Keep The person is notable enough for an article. Grandmaster 09:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Strong Keep If this guy isn't notable, whilst obscure college basketball players apparently are, then that says something rather unflattering about Wikipedia. StuartDouglas 12:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Delete still I don' see any authenticate third party source for his notability. --Pejman47 16:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

comment I think part of the problem in Googling him is that his name's spelt four or five different ways, as per Stuart Douglas above I think it does look silly if we delete political party/terrorist group (delete to taste) leaders whilst keeping 1930s cricketers. - Iridescenti (talk to me!) 17:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

please only talk just about this article or WP policies, and do not excuse his un-notability with weak reasoning (all the name of people which is originally in Arabic, can be translated to English in several versions) and you didn't even mentioned the "different versions" of his name. I am going to feel that you have a very strong POV and are going to push it on this kind of articles.--Pejman47 19:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

But why is he not notable? If google is the criterion, see this: [1] Alternative spellings also get plenty of hits. To me it looks like some people try to suppress the info about this person and his organization. I understand that there can be different views on this person, but it is not a reason to delete the article. On the contrary, we should reflect all positions in a neutral manner. Grandmaster 19:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Pejman47, I assume that "you have a very strong POV" was aimed at me since it immediately followed my comment. I have no POV whatsoever on this, I couldn't point to Azerbaijan on a map and have no idea why you would think I do. Assume good faith... - Iridescenti (talk to me!) 20:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• weak keep leader of South Azerbaijan National Liberation Movement from 1994 to 1999. is notable, AfD is not a place for political arguments (at least i think it's not supposed to be) and this can be avoided by keeping to the principle that all political movements that can be shown to actually exist and have a name are notable. DGG 22:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletions. --   ⇒ bsnowball  14:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
• Comment User:Ali doostzadeh has deleted all references from this article - I've (temporarily) reverted them until this AfD discussion is complete as otherwise this will erupt into an edit war. - Iridescenti (talk to me!) 15:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

and someone's deleted them again... I have wasted way too much time on this page that could be spent writing about important subjects like Welsh goth singers and emergency service call centres to waste any more time on this, but the unvandalised version of the page is here. - Iridescenti (talk to me!) 19:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. His name is mentioned in a report by the United Nations Refugee Agency UNHCR [2] and also in a paper published by The Jamestown Foundation [3].Heja Helweda 05:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable enough.--Mardavich 06:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Strong Keep . I think this information is very important. Because Piruz Dilanchi is a famous person in Iran and Azerbaijan. I research about him.

You can see these links. All are about Piruz Dilanchi:

President of Azerbaijan Heydar Aliyev and leader of SANLM Pirouz Dilanchi (http://www.azerbaijanonline.biz/prezident-azerbaijan.jpg)

http://www.unhcr.org/home/RSDCOI/3df4be444.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/middle_east/594537.stm

http://www.rferl.org/newsline/2004/09/290904.asp

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/1999/2-110199.html

http://www.jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id=1&issue_id=4&article_id=71

http://www.iwpr.net/?p=crs&s=f&o=161996&apc_state=henicrs9fbf0e8ca3f19db2320364d6ccfd21e4

http://www.hri.org/cgi-bin/brief?/news/balkans/omri/1996/96-09-10.omri.html

http://www.eurasianet.org/resource/azerbaijan/links/1103hr.html

http://www.hri.org/news/balkans/rferl/1999/99-01-08.rferl.html

http://www.hri.org/cgi-bin/brief?/news/balkans/rferl/1999/99-01-08.rferl.html

http://mediapress.media-az.com/arxiv/2000/Aug_eng/3.html

http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/chapters/0262194775index1.pdf

http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/election/azerbaijan/report1011.shtml

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8334603069973996958

http://azer.secure-shops9.com/product.asp?itemid=136&catid=31

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/comsite5/bin/pdinventory.pl?pdlanding=1&referid=2930&purchase_type=ITM&item_id=0286-11376605

http://www.iranian.com/Times/2000/Jana/Roodbar/rights.html

http://www.iranian.com/Times/2000/Jana/Roodbar/news.html

http://www.middleeastinfo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=5066

http://www.yusif.org/azerbaijan.html

http://www.privatesozluk.com/show.asp?m=piruz+dilenchi

http://cssaame.com/issues/20/Samii.pdf

[edit] South Azerbaijan National Liberation Movement

South Azerbaijan National Liberation Movement (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View AfD)

This organization is not notable. A Google search brings up nothing regarding this organization other than the Wikipedia page itself: [4]. It was obviously created to promote this organization and not for the sake of an encyclopedia entry. The User who created this article simply registered for one day to edit the page of the founder of this organization and to create this page and made no edits afterwards: [5], which makes one believe that this User was working on behalf of the organization itself. Again, this article is not note worthy to be on Wikipedia and was simply created for promotional purposes. Azerbaijani 17:09, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Delete - As per the above.Azerbaijani 17:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - Page does need major wikification, but a Google search brings up a number of non-Wikipedia/mirror hits[6], many of which seem to indicate that this is a recognised political force in the region (and I assume the number would be far higher if searching in Azeri, Russian or Farsi). Given that this page refers to an illegal political party in Iran, I can perfectly understand the creator's remaining anonymous. - Iridescenti (talk to me!) 19:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Most of those minor hits are Azerbaijani pages. This organization is not notable enough for a Wikipedia article and was obviously created for promotional purposes. Secondly, your comment about Iran is pure speculation and should not influence any vote in anyway. Also, we are all anonymous here on Wikipedia, this user simply created a one day account so he could promote this organization, one which he could possibly be working for. Furthermore, the Iranian government has no way of acting upon any user on Wikipedia in any way.Azerbaijani 21:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, most of the WP users with every POV are anonymous: for example me and Azerbaijani and that user!--Pejman47 21:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Delete first it seems an aparent copyvio, and every organization considers itself "important". Even if it has only 10 members. You need to support your view, by third party sources. --Pejman47 21:43, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

As I said, you may search and rescue the article by finding "third-party" sources. --Pejman47 23:25, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Believe me, I don't care that much about it - IMO as it stands it's a wretched page, I just think it's potentialy salvageable - but it would need someone who speaks the language & understands the region to rescue it. Anyway, it's probably more suitable for Russian Wikipedia. - Iridescenti (talk to me!) 00:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that it is impossible to write this article according to Wikipedia standards, as there are no third party reliable sources that discuss this organization. I have never heard of this organization, which leads me to believe this is not as big as the other major one (GAMOH), and is probably a competing organization. Again, this seems like it was created for promotional purposes only. There is nothing on the web to base an article for this organization.Azerbaijani 02:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per norm --Rayis 23:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Given there are two rival organizations, as agreed even by the nominator, they should both have articles. We are not an international tribunal, and the only fair practice here is to be inclusive (and fix up the article--I agree its present state is not exactly reassuring.). DGG 04:36, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I never said they were two rival organizations, I said that this is probably a less well known organization trying to promote itself. Its not notable at all, do a Google search. Also, I've searched for information on this organization in an effort to re-write the article, but I was not able to find any information, not even from biased websites.Azerbaijani 18:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Comment I can find plenty of information on this organisation even on a brief Google skim but unfortunately most of it's in Azeri (see this for example) so I can't make any judgement on it. - Iridescenti (talk to me!) 18:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thats the problem, there are no third party neutral sources to use to create a fair Wikipedia rticle on such a sensitive topic. The article you mentioned is far from neutral, and infact, looks like the organizations own website! Here is the English version: [7] Look at all the propaganda and bias.Azerbaijani 19:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Notable enough. The article should be further improved and expanded. Grandmaster 18:13, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

How is it notable?Azerbaijani 18:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. There is the english homepage of this movement[8],where you can find any info about it, and also it is mentioned in this openly anti-azerbaijani pamphlet of one pseudo-scholar who accuses everyone from Heydar Aliyev to Brenda Shaffer of panturkism [9].It has a yahoogroup of 687 members[10](the biggest azerbaijani group is 1000 members+ a few, and the most read internet article in azerbaijani is hardly 300-400 readers due to the low internetification) Also wikipedia contains article about its creator Piruz Dilenchi. Elsanaturk 21:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

We cannot use the organizations own website to write a Wikipedia article about it. The group is not notable (outside of Azerbaijani circles) and there are no third party reliable sources to create a Wiki article for such a sensitive topic. I know very well that these same users who are voting keep would never allow an article as sensitive as this to be created with only Iranian sources.Azerbaijani 22:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Delete This "organization" is nothing but a webpage maintained by fantics. It is not significant enough for an encyclopedic entry. Arash the Bowman 21:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. If the organization does exist and has affiliated publications and television, I don't see why the article should be deleted. Obviously the organization has a certain broad audience, and its worthy of mentioning in encyclopedia. Atabek 23:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Article is in horrible shape and its not notable. Artaxiad 23:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per Arash. Hakob 01:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete It's against WP:NOR policy. --Sa.vakilian(t-c) 08:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Comment Please pay attention to South Azerbaijan National Liberation Movement. I'm not an anti-Turk or pan-pharsist but this article is against WP:NOR. I think it should be deleted. Can you improve it by adding some reliable sources? --Sa.vakilian(t-c) 08:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete That is not an existing organization:The only use of this web page and it's name is to provoke political tension for putting pressure on Iranian government. If wiki does not delete the page ,then hundreds of pages may appear in this encyclopedia that are only created in imagination for putting political pressure on the nation-states.AlborzFallah 26 March 2007
• Keep. The page needs major improvement, but it is about a notable organization, and hence should be kept. --adil 17:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - The Users who are voting keep with such reasons as this organization being notable and that the article should be re-written still have not shown in what way this article is notable (again, Google search brings up close to nothing) and what third party reliable sources can be used to even re-write this article (so far, the only source provided as been that of the organizations own website!). There is no basis for this article not to be deleted, as it is not notable, and it is impossible to re-write.Azerbaijani 17:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I don’t think that the info about irredentist movement in Iranian Azerbaijan should be suppressed in Wikipedia. Regardless of what you think about this organization, the reader has a right to know about it. The current state of the article is not a good reason for deletion, and google search is not the only criterion for establishing notability. The info could be available elsewhere. This article should be improved, and not deleted. Grandmaster 19:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
    • So far, no one has brought up anything to show the notability of this organization, nor has anyone brought up a means to re-wrtie this article (i.e third party reliable sources). No one here has brought up any means of fixing this article. This article was created for in order to promote a relatively unknown organization, simple as that, which is against Wikipedia policies.Azerbaijani 19:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - The page needs wikified and other works required by Wikipedia. But it should stay and expanded. google search actually gives some links, unlike the claim of user:Azerbaijani. For example this UN source [11] and here is the blog [12] Since this organization is involved in human rights activity in Iran it is not coincidence that pro-Iranian circles try to suppress information about it. As a relatively young organization its notability perhaps will gain more attention in the future.--Dacy69 19:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Comment - This is hilarious! You present a blog and say it can be used as a source to write this article? And the article from the UNHCR says nothing about the organization, it mentions it once. How do you expect us to write an article on an organization such as this, when it isnt even notable enough for other third party reliable sources to have already written about it? There is no information that can be found (and I searched) that can be used to write this article. Again, the users voting Keep are obviously not taking into account any of these factors. Furthermore, this users personal attack that says the only reason this article was put up for deletion is because we are part of a "Pro-Iranian circle that tries to suppress information" is ludicrous, as there are many articles that "Pro-Iranian circles" may not like on Wikipedia, such as Human rights in Iran, along with other anti Iranian seperatist and terrorist groups.Azerbaijani 19:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Comment that is, I think we found at least two non-azerbaijani sources, which mention this group, one is United Nations's UNHCR site[13], and another one is this openly anti-azerbaijani pamphlet of one pseudo-scholar[14].thus, at least we have one third party source(UN) and also one source from opposite direction. so why to delete? this organization is not a hoax.If UN can rely upon them, then why not wikipedia? Elsanaturk 21:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Who are you calling a pseudo scholar? Dr. Kaveh Farrokh is a world renown Iranian historian who gives lectures at many famous universities and published many intellectual articles and books. I have even seen him on the History Channel. Secondly, two sources are not the basis for notability, and thirdly, we still have not seen any sources that we could use to create such a article. This article needs to be deleted, there is no other option, rewriting it is impossible as there are no sources to use.Azerbaijani 22:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Comment My comments that pro-Iranian circles try to suppress information about this organization is not related to Wikipedia users per se. It is general comment about Iranian government policy and those who supports it. If you take it personally then it is your bussiness. And obviously, even if you, me or someone else don't like article as Human rights in Iran, nothing can be done about that. It is notable fact. Actually, many countries has problem with that, including US and others. Here, in Wikipedia our role - editors - to give as much as possible accurate and verifiable information. Definitely, if such notable organization like UNHCR mentions the organization in question - then it is accurate. And there is a nubmer of links in Azeri language Google about this organization, for example [15], [16], and article in Azeri Wikipeida about it [17]--Dacy69 22:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Like I said before, the UNHCR mentions it once, thats it (further showing that it is not notable organization). And you said it right when you said that our role - editors - to give as much as possible accurate and verifiable information., exactly, by that basis, this article must be deleted, as there are no third party reliable sources that can be used to create such an article. And please, do not use an Azeri Google search to try and show notability, this is English Wikipedia. The article you posted from Azeri Wikipedia is about GAMOH, not this SANLM! Are you trying to trick people now?Azerbaijani 22:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete It is not notable enough and it contains original research. Gol 21:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - Let's not promote minor militant/terrorist separatist groups. If the US/Israel pays them to do something maybe they'll become notable. The Behnam 22:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete It already has a wiki entry: [[18]]. Why create two!? Looks like a one man organization made for ethnic provocation (dismayed to see it was Baku based). Many false and baseless claims too, like Azerbaijan extends to Khuzestan or Western Azerbaijan which has large number of Kurds is all Azeri or .. etc or Bahmanyar ibn Marzaban who was a Iranian Zoroastrian student of Avicenna predating turkification of the region as a Turkic person(I guess Bahmanyar needs an article)). If this article stays of course all these points should be responded to as well. There are some Iranian based organizations in Iran called "Irani-e-Shomali" (Northern Iran) who also claim the territory of the republic of Azerbaijan. I am wondering what the limits are and if these organizations can get their own wiki article? I do not think think any of these organizations are noticeable enough to be mentioned in Wikipedia. In fact, anyone can create a small one man or few man organizations and then state their political goals. An organization should have at least some weight and be mentioned like the Tamil Tigers or PKK. Also I note that the user who created this article commited a major violation of Wikipedia rule by erasing the delete votes of some users. [19]. I guess that speaks pretty well for the democtratic platform they claim to represent. --alidoostzadeh 23:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh wow, I did not even notice that Delete votes were removed by Aztap (the same person who created this article), which again supports the fact that the intention of this article was to promote this very small and unknown organization, rather than to create a beneficial article for Wikipedia.Azerbaijani 00:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Given that the fake ethnic map that has many non-Azeri groups deleted and marked as Azerbaijani, it is consistent. --alidoostzadeh 00:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• comment Google search becomes more relevant when the right keywords are entered, such as the URL of their website or proper name, including in Azerbaijani language. The name itself is too long for most Western or otherwise journalists to reproduce, so most would go by an abbriviation or just the name of the leader or main spokesman of the organization. None of the organizations are really Baku-based (Chehregani can't even visit Azerbaijan, or Turkey, without being asked to leave), but they have of course chapters there, with regular press contact. --adil 05:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep and improve. SANAM seems to be mentioned on the UNPO website [20], so my guess is it's notable enough. However the article needs to be reorganized big time. Parishan 06:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

it has a entry already: [[21]]. --alidoostzadeh 11:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep and improve per Parishan.. Baristarim 08:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep and improve per Parishan&Baris.. Makalp^TC 09:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Comment - this article's sister article, Piruz_Dilenchi was incorrectly tagged for speedy delete; I've removed the speedy tag and AfD nominated it here. - Iridescenti (talk to me!) 10:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep SANAM (GAMOH http://www.gamoh.org/) and SANLM are different organisations. M. Chohregani is the leader of the first, while Piruz Dilenchi is of the second. --Ulvi I. 13:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep and wikifyRaveenS 22:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Iridescenti and Parishan. The article needs wikifications, but there is no reason to delete such an informative article. E104421 13:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Iridescenti. The name is mentioned in a report by the United Nations Refugee Agency UNHCR [22] and also in publications by The Jamestown Foundation [23] and Global Security[24].Heja Helweda 05:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Delete Wikipedia shouldn't be used to promote fringe organizations. --Mardavich 05:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Delete I live in Irani azerbaijan all my life and never heard of this movement --Jalil Azermehr 08:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mehran Ghafourian

Mehran Ghafourian (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View AfD)

This article is entirely unreferenced. Per Wikipedia:Attribution, "If an article topic has no reliable sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." John254 13:35, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. Sources might exist, but I certainly can't find anything. When an article is about a foreign subject like this one is, the responsibility of finding sources is solely on the shoulders of the editors of that article. --- RockMFR 15:55, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete the subject is not yet suitable for an encyclopedia. Mr. Berry 16:37, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
• delete fails notability--Sefringle 03:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Iraq

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[edit] Lebanon

[edit] Israeli home front in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict

Israeli home front in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View AfD)

Unsourced, POV, no links, poorly written, no response to talk page request for rewrite RolandR 18:36, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletions. IZAK 02:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete just poorly written POV version fork from 2006 Israel Lebanon conflict. --Daniel J. Leivick 18:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Never, in my life, have I seen so many "citeneeded" tags. That tells me the article is sure to become a battleground between pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian editors (as every blasted sentence has one). Eitherway, the lead certainly is POV and doesn't bode well for the rest of the article. Pat Payne 19:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. A very informative article. Needs editing, though. Some "editors" would place that "citeneeded" tag after every word! Garcia-Fons 22:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

  An obvious sock-puppet, whose only edits have been today, to a string of AfDs. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 23:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I am the writer of that article, and I don't remember that I'v been registered in the name "Garcia-Fons". Regarding the article, don't accuse me in anything. I'v only translated that article from the article about the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict in the Hebrew Wikipedia. My only mistake is that I didn't translated from there the list of reasons to the opposition to the operation, which is:

1. The action of the IDF is not proportional in front of kidnapping of two soldiers.
2. The amount of civil killing in Lebanon - over about 300 civilians after a week, and over 600 after about 4 weeks - is not moral.
3. The IDF is harming in Lebanese civilian economic infrastructure and nearly doesn't succeed to harm in Hezbollah.
4. The harming in civilian population was meant to create pressure against Hezbollah. In practice, polls in Lebanon are testifying that the actions of the IDF actually increased the support in Hezbollah by the population.
5. The prime minister of Lebanon promised that the Lebanese army will spread out in the border with Israel, in return to cease-fire.
6. The war is reminding the 1982 Lebanon War which is considered as a mistake in the eyes of many.
7. After the battles, Israel [in the source: the IDF (translator's remark)] will be have to negotiate about the soldiers which are held by Hezbollah from the same position.
8. The pictures of the innocent deads had increased the anger about Israel in the world and increased actions against Jewish and Israeli targets around the world.

And two more things: this is an article about the Israeli home front, and Hezbollah is not the most admired organization in Israel. And once I read in the Hebrew Wikipedia that most of the articles that dealing with the Arab-Israeli conflict (or was it the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?) in the English Wikipedia have a point of view against Israel, then this article is not the English Wikipedia's only problem. Hjbhuvghgg 16:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Amazing! Hjbhuvghgg admits that he translated this from the Hebrew wikipedia (very poorly, in my opinion), but decided to leave out any criticism of the war. Could there possibly be any more conclusive proof of a deliberate POV edit?RolandR 17:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you want that I will put this list in the article, or this is also need a citation of sources? Hjbhuvghgg 15:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

• comment 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict has numerous sub-articles. We should know that this article relates to which part of the main article to recognize it as a one of its sub-article. I can't answer this question at present.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 07:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
• Strong delete - Look at all those disclaimer banners! And all those "Citation Needed" tags! On a subject as controversial as the Israeli/Arab conflict, we need to be very careful to maintain NPOV. And that means deleting unsourced material like this. Utterly fails WP:V and WP:RS. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 19:05, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete — For such a tiny part of the world, this area generates an entirely disproportional amount of content. The whole 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict subject tree needs a good trimming with heavy shears, as do many of the other Arab-Israeli topics. This is just too much detail. — RJH (talk) 20:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
• keep and rewrite could be a good article if sourced, but one should tag the page with unsourced before just deleting.--Sefringle 02:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The page has already been tagged with unsourced for three weeks, and nobody has attempted to provide any sources. RolandR 18:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

In that case, delete--Sefringle 03:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep per User:Sefringle. IZAK 03:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

(. . . who has now changed his opinion to "Delete") RolandR 08:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete as unsourced. Resurgent insurgent 02:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Kurdish genocide

Kurdish genocide (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View AfD)

This is a Dab page, bad faithly named,there are two links in the page ehich all of them are not related with the name. Must.^{T C} 18:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Inappropriate usage of words. Artaxiad 19:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete ditto above. Use of this as a dab page is really a stretch. Can I create a dab at "Dumb people" and say "well, it can refer to Mr. X, Mr. Y or Mrs. Z"? There was an actual article of two paragraphs at "Kurdish Genocide", which basically resulted in a delete after an AfD three months ago, this redirect was created four days after the AfD was closed by the creator of that article. Dabs are supposed to be for non-controversial stuff, the page really has no content as the nominator said.. Baristarim 02:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per Makalp deniz^T_C 06:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per Barış & Makalp E104421 14:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy delete It's not an article.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 05:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep sourced for both usages. Turkish POV pushing again; reminds me of this case.--Domitius 06:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per norm --Rayis 09:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep' notable and has/will be improved on sources by WikiProject Kurdistan soon. Ozgur Gerilla 11:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as it is sourced as an academic opinion for certain events, by two WP:INDY scholars. See the destination of the redirect at Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey#Genocide allegations, where the following sources are provided:

1. 1. Fernandes, Desmond (Winter 1998-1999). "The Kurdish Genocide in Turkey, 1924–1998". Armenian Forum 1 (No.4): 57-107.
   2. Filner, Bob (2004). "Congressional Record", The Kurdish Question in U.S. Foreign Policy: A Documentary Sourcebook by Lokman I. Meho. Praeger/Greenwood. ISBN 0-313-31435-7.

• Merging the said article to Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey was a borderline case. Deleting the redirect is a terrible stretch. NikoSilver 11:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. WP:NOT a soapbox. Al-Anfal Campaign is not commonly known as "Kurdish genocide". It is not the only chemical attack either (see: Kingdom_of_Kurdistan#Chemical_attacks). Referring to "Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey", which has a range of topics, as a genocide also seems problematic. The word Genocide should not be used so leisurely.
  Also note the absence of Japanese genocide (atomic bomb et-all), German genocide (various allied bombings), French genocide (various allied and german bombings), American genocide (various attacks - especially on several islands), Chinese genocide (Japanese attacks), Greek genocide (Soviet invasion in WW2) and how they are not redirecting to World War II even though mass number of people were indeed killed (some even classified as massacres or even genocides by some communities but not vast majority).
  -- Cat ^chi? 12:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I can't help noticing that "American genocide" exists in two redirects: Native American genocide and American Indian genocide. NikoSilver 12:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

BTW, nice subpage... (no comments). NikoSilver 12:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish settlement

Turkish settlement (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View AfD)

Simply a POV Fork of Cyprus dispute. The title of the article might be original research, the content contains two paragraphs about the property disputes in the Cyprus dispute, however not clear how they qualify under "Turkish settlement". Delete, and merge (if possible) any meaningful content to Cyprus dispute. Baristarim 01:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, as nominator. Baristarim 01:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete because it's a clear POV fork. The parent article has problems, too, but that's not for this discussion. YechielMan 02:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, notable subject that acquires a topic of its own. --Mardavich 07:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Perim Özgeldi

Perim Özgeldi (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View AfD)

Delete, per notability criteria of WP:BIO - the article says "Turkish press advisor who is working for one of the best comedian Mehmet Ali Erbil in Turkey." Not sure if press secretaries qualify as notable, even though the comedian might be. Gets 138 hits on Google, nearly all from Wikipedia mirrors like answers.com [25]. Baristarim 03:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete as nominator Baristarim 03:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete not notable deniz^T_C 03:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete not notable Free smyrnan 04:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other

[edit] Talal Abu-Ghazaleh Organization (TAGorg)

Talal Abu-Ghazaleh Organization (TAGorg) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View AfD)

Reads like an advertisement, created by someone named TAGITI (talk • contribs), so likely a WP:COI issue. No third-party coverage, not even pertinent hits on Google News Archive. Sandstein 14:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete The profusion of external links throughout the article is very suspicious. YechielMan 20:10, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I amended the article many times which is noticeable through the versions’ history. The article is still in the editing process. The page was built with reference to the articles published in the Wikipedia. We made sure that the format of the page is consistent with the way the pages are constructed and written in the Wikipedia. I think that this organization is essential for posting on Wikipedia. I would like to re-assure that we are still working on modifying it until it meets the Wikipedia policy. I don’t think that having too many external links currently on our page should cause a problem since there exists many articles on Wikipedia that contain many external links such as Aramco, Aurther Andersen and others. Those articles were not deleted or nominated for deletion. We preferred to mention the whole organization companies and give them the links from this page than create for each company a page on the wikipedia. We will also mention third party links that talk about TAGorg. If, for any other reason, you think that our article is still nominated for deletion; please assist us by providing the methods that we can use to develop the content better to certify your needs. TAGorg is one of the largest global organizations. It is very essential to have it published on the Wikipedia.

PS. please follow this link to see the pertinent hits on Google News Archive. http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=tagorg&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Talal_Abu-Ghazaleh_Organization_%28TAGorg%29" --TAGITI 13:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of the Middle East-related deletions. --   ⇒ bsnowball  16:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)