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[edit] Allegations_of_apartheid

Allegations_of_apartheid (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View AfD)

Clear violation of WP:SYNT. Contains quite a bit of OR. In addition, much of the article's content is duplicated elsewhere. Jtrainor 23:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep. If you had said "nothing but OR", you might have had a point, but AFD isn't part of the cleanup process. "Contains quite a bit of OR"? {{sofixit}}. --Calton | Talk 23:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Calton.--Urthogie 00:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete OR collection of practically unrelated events under umbrella of a broad term, ignoring any context. Magnet for vandals and warriors. Unmaintainable, potential to grow w/o limit every time when someone somewhere says the work apartheid. Classical example of the problem with OR on WP. Pavel Vozenilek 07:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletions. --   ⇒ bsnowball  09:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Allegations_of_Israeli_apartheid

[edit] Allegations_of_Israeli_apartheid

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Note: The first two AfD nominations of this article were straw man nominations made by sockpuppets of now-banned editors.

Allegations_of_Israeli_apartheid (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View AfD)

Delete Clear violation of WP:SYNT. Contains large amounts of OR. Jtrainor 23:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep. The "Israeli apartheid" analogy has become the subject of extensive discussion since the release of Jimmy Carter's "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid" last year. This is clearly a relevant subject. If the article is flawed, our solution should be to fix it. CJCurrie 00:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep - entire books have been written on these allegations.--Urthogie 00:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I'm not aware of any WP:SYNT or OR issues with the article. -- Kendrick7talk 00:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - The article is obviously having problems right now but that doesn't make the subject itself non-notable. I've heard the allegations mentioned in mainstream media quite a bit. Also, have you heard of Jimmy Carter? The Behnam 01:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep - A bad faith nomination without a leg to stand on, as there is an abundance of sourced material in the article. The problem is POV-pushing, which in itself is not a reason for deletion. Tarc 02:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Move to WP:Sandbox - This article must be made NPOV before being published to the public. As it is now it fail to meeet WP:NPOV for a year. I am not advocating a full delete just that it is removed from the main wikipedia name space and will be worked on (in a WP:Sandbox) until it reach a stable and NPOV version - At that point a stable version of the article can go back and be published to the public. Zeq 05:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Clearly, even those who support keeping this article complain about the POV pushing in the article - surly it violates many policies in it's present form including a violation of WP:SYNT. Zeq 05:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep Legitimate subject, term used often, with plenty of reliable sources including South Africans and anti-apartheid figures themselves. POV is mostly from those who wish to deny the analogy outright, or hide or diminish the reliable sources/quotes/uses of the term in the article.Kritt 08:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I object to four nominations for deletion, and think the previous votes should be respected. --BozMo talk 10:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
    See note above; the first 2 nominations were straw man nominations. Jayjg (talk) 18:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete and start again. Far too much push-pull between the competing factions. Guy (Help!) 13:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Article and discussion is well sourced to reliable sources. Mackan79 13:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy close as keep per this AfD and this AfD and this one too. When an article reaches its fourth nomination, it becomes increasingly difficult to assume good faith. - Smerdis of Tlön 14:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
    See note above; the first 2 nominations were straw man nominations. In fact, the first nomination was by a sockpuppet of the person who created this article, almost immediately after he created it. Jayjg (talk) 18:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Huge amount of references backing up the statements, so the nominator will need to point out some examples as to why everything is SYNT or OR. If there is some SYNT or OR, we solve that by editing the article, not deleting it. Let's face it, the term "Israeli apartheid" is common, whether we like it or not, and whether we agree with the term or not. A quick search from my country of Norway produced this article (UN accuses Israel of Apartheid) from a mainstream newspaper (albeit one with a pro-Labor Party point of view). Sjakkalle (Check!) 15:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Sjakkalle in this, its fourth nomination. I disagree with "pitch 'til you win" tactics where an article is nominated over and over for deletion, and urge the principle of Stare decisis. Edison 20:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I find allegations of bad faith on my part rather disgusting considering I have never been involved with this article in any way before. The number of AfDs an article has survived has no bearing on it's validity for deletion in future AfDs-- I advise you to go ask around about the GNAA article, which survived -14- AfDs, but eventually was deleted anyways. Jtrainor 20:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Israeli home front in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict

Israeli home front in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View AfD)

Unsourced, POV, no links, poorly written, no response to talk page request for rewrite RolandR 18:36, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletions. IZAK 02:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete just poorly written POV version fork from 2006 Israel Lebanon conflict. --Daniel J. Leivick 18:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Never, in my life, have I seen so many "citeneeded" tags. That tells me the article is sure to become a battleground between pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian editors (as every blasted sentence has one). Eitherway, the lead certainly is POV and doesn't bode well for the rest of the article. Pat Payne 19:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. A very informative article. Needs editing, though. Some "editors" would place that "citeneeded" tag after every word! Garcia-Fons 22:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
    An obvious sock-puppet, whose only edits have been today, to a string of AfDs. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 23:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I am the writer of that article, and I don't remember that I'v been registered in the name "Garcia-Fons". Regarding the article, don't accuse me in anything. I'v only translated that article from the article about the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict in the Hebrew Wikipedia. My only mistake is that I didn't translated from there the list of reasons to the opposition to the operation, which is:
  1. The action of the IDF is not proportional in front of kidnapping of two soldiers.
  2. The amount of civil killing in Lebanon - over about 300 civilians after a week, and over 600 after about 4 weeks - is not moral.
  3. The IDF is harming in Lebanese civilian economic infrastructure and nearly doesn't succeed to harm in Hezbollah.
  4. The harming in civilian population was meant to create pressure against Hezbollah. In practice, polls in Lebanon are testifying that the actions of the IDF actually increased the support in Hezbollah by the population.
  5. The prime minister of Lebanon promised that the Lebanese army will spread out in the border with Israel, in return to cease-fire.
  6. The war is reminding the 1982 Lebanon War which is considered as a mistake in the eyes of many.
  7. After the battles, Israel [in the source: the IDF (translator's remark)] will be have to negotiate about the soldiers which are held by Hezbollah from the same position.
  8. The pictures of the innocent deads had increased the anger about Israel in the world and increased actions against Jewish and Israeli targets around the world.

And two more things: this is an article about the Israeli home front, and Hezbollah is not the most admired organization in Israel. And once I read in the Hebrew Wikipedia that most of the articles that dealing with the Arab-Israeli conflict (or was it the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?) in the English Wikipedia have a point of view against Israel, then this article is not the English Wikipedia's only problem. Hjbhuvghgg 16:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Amazing! Hjbhuvghgg admits that he translated this from the Hebrew wikipedia (very poorly, in my opinion), but decided to leave out any criticism of the war. Could there possibly be any more conclusive proof of a deliberate POV edit?RolandR 17:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Do you want that I will put this list in the article, or this is also need a citation of sources? Hjbhuvghgg 15:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
  • comment 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict has numerous sub-articles. We should know that this article relates to which part of the main article to recognize it as a one of its sub-article. I can't answer this question at present.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 07:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong delete - Look at all those disclaimer banners! And all those "Citation Needed" tags! On a subject as controversial as the Israeli/Arab conflict, we need to be very careful to maintain NPOV. And that means deleting unsourced material like this. Utterly fails WP:V and WP:RS. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 19:05, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete — For such a tiny part of the world, this area generates an entirely disproportional amount of content. The whole 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict subject tree needs a good trimming with heavy shears, as do many of the other Arab-Israeli topics. This is just too much detail. — RJH (talk) 20:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
  • keep and rewrite could be a good article if sourced, but one should tag the page with unsourced before just deleting.--Sefringle 02:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
The page has already been tagged with unsourced for three weeks, and nobody has attempted to provide any sources. RolandR 18:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
In that case, delete--Sefringle 03:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
(. . . who has now changed his opinion to "Delete") RolandR 08:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


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