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[edit] Azerbaijan

[edit] Piruz Dilenchi

Piruz Dilenchi (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View AfD)

Nominated for process - this was previously listed for speedy deletion under db-bio. I have untagged it for speedy as this is clearly inappropriate in this case, since the article clearly asserts notability as both a singer, writer and politician. The article was also tagged as unreferenced, which seems a little unfair as there were quite a number of references - just not correctly added. I've tidied up the "references" section (slightly) as the same time to make it clearer.

There does seem to be confusion over the spelling of his name, with four different spellings used in the article alone - I recognise that this is due to transliteration from a non-Roman alphabet, but if the !vote results in keep a number of redirects will need to be set up. I've not yet done this as it will just mean more work for the closing admin if there's a Delete result.

The AfD discussion for this article's "sister" article is also currently underway, for the record.

Although I'm nominating this for process, my personal !vote as the article currently stands is weak keep although if kept it will need to be tidied up. - Iridescenti (talk to me!) 09:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Keep The person is notable enough for an article. Grandmaster 09:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Strong Keep If this guy isn't notable, whilst obscure college basketball players apparently are, then that says something rather unflattering about Wikipedia. StuartDouglas 12:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Delete still I don' see any authenticate third party source for his notability. --Pejman47 16:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

comment I think part of the problem in Googling him is that his name's spelt four or five different ways, as per Stuart Douglas above I think it does look silly if we delete political party/terrorist group (delete to taste) leaders whilst keeping 1930s cricketers. - Iridescenti (talk to me!) 17:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
please only talk just about this article or WP policies, and do not excuse his un-notability with weak reasoning (all the name of people which is originally in Arabic, can be translated to English in several versions) and you didn't even mentioned the "different versions" of his name. I am going to feel that you have a very strong POV and are going to push it on this kind of articles.--Pejman47 19:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
But why is he not notable? If google is the criterion, see this: [1] Alternative spellings also get plenty of hits. To me it looks like some people try to suppress the info about this person and his organization. I understand that there can be different views on this person, but it is not a reason to delete the article. On the contrary, we should reflect all positions in a neutral manner. Grandmaster 19:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Pejman47, I assume that "you have a very strong POV" was aimed at me since it immediately followed my comment. I have no POV whatsoever on this, I couldn't point to Azerbaijan on a map and have no idea why you would think I do. Assume good faith... - Iridescenti (talk to me!) 20:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
  • weak keep leader of South Azerbaijan National Liberation Movement from 1994 to 1999. is notable, AfD is not a place for political arguments (at least i think it's not supposed to be) and this can be avoided by keeping to the principle that all political movements that can be shown to actually exist and have a name are notable. DGG 22:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletions. --   ⇒ bsnowball  14:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment User:Ali doostzadeh has deleted all references from this article - I've (temporarily) reverted them until this AfD discussion is complete as otherwise this will erupt into an edit war. - Iridescenti (talk to me!) 15:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
and someone's deleted them again... I have wasted way too much time on this page that could be spent writing about important subjects like Welsh goth singers and emergency service call centres to waste any more time on this, but the unvandalised version of the page is here. - Iridescenti (talk to me!) 19:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Strong Keep . I think this information is very important. Because Piruz Dilanchi is a famous person in Iran and Azerbaijan. I research about him.

You can see these links. All are about Piruz Dilanchi:

President of Azerbaijan Heydar Aliyev and leader of SANLM Pirouz Dilanchi (http://www.azerbaijanonline.biz/prezident-azerbaijan.jpg)

http://www.unhcr.org/home/RSDCOI/3df4be444.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/middle_east/594537.stm

http://www.rferl.org/newsline/2004/09/290904.asp

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/1999/2-110199.html

http://www.jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id=1&issue_id=4&article_id=71

http://www.iwpr.net/?p=crs&s=f&o=161996&apc_state=henicrs9fbf0e8ca3f19db2320364d6ccfd21e4

http://www.hri.org/cgi-bin/brief?/news/balkans/omri/1996/96-09-10.omri.html

http://www.eurasianet.org/resource/azerbaijan/links/1103hr.html

http://www.hri.org/news/balkans/rferl/1999/99-01-08.rferl.html

http://www.hri.org/cgi-bin/brief?/news/balkans/rferl/1999/99-01-08.rferl.html

http://mediapress.media-az.com/arxiv/2000/Aug_eng/3.html

http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/chapters/0262194775index1.pdf

http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/election/azerbaijan/report1011.shtml

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8334603069973996958

http://azer.secure-shops9.com/product.asp?itemid=136&catid=31

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/comsite5/bin/pdinventory.pl?pdlanding=1&referid=2930&purchase_type=ITM&item_id=0286-11376605

http://www.iranian.com/Times/2000/Jana/Roodbar/rights.html

http://www.iranian.com/Times/2000/Jana/Roodbar/news.html

http://www.middleeastinfo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=5066

http://www.yusif.org/azerbaijan.html

http://www.privatesozluk.com/show.asp?m=piruz+dilenchi

http://cssaame.com/issues/20/Samii.pdf

  • Keep. (And do some redirects for the variant spellings.) It took me a bit to find him in that mess of sites, because his name is Romanised as Dilanchi, Dilenchi, Dilançi, & Dilenchy. I think I saw a 'Pirouz' for his first name once as well. However, at one of those sites, http://www.iranian.com/Times/2000/Jana/Roodbar/news.html , I found a Reuters report that referred to him as "Piruz Dilenchy, head of the National Liberation Movement of Southern Azerbaijan." That's easily notable enough. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ventifax (talk • contribs) 08:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC). Opps. yes, that's me. Ventifax 22:04, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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The result was keep. WjBscribe 05:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Salatyn Asgarova

Salatyn Asgarova (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View AfD)
  • Delete It seems she is just a journalist who died during a war, theres nothing notable about this person, alot of POV search engines lack info. Artaxiad 23:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: I don't have enough background to assess this individual's notability, but I fear that this may be a POV or WP:POINT nomination. See generally Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan. Newyorkbrad 00:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep all people awarded the National Heroes of Azerbaijan title (that is the highest decoration of Azerbaijan, similar to the Hero of the Soviet Union, National Hero of Armenia, Hero of Russia or Hero of Ukraine) are inherently notable Alex Bakharev 01:34, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
  • weak keep per some of the other non-notable people kept.--Sefringle 03:34, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep This lady is a National Hero of Azerbaijan, and I share the opinion of Newyorkbrad about possible motives of nomination. Grandmaster 05:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep Not only is she a National Hero of Azerbaijan, but she is one of very few female war correspondents from Azerbaijan as well. And search engines do have articles about her - in English, Russian and Azerbaijani (under alternative spellings of her name as well).--Zondi 06:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep she is National Hero (I think the only woman) and has streets named after her, a statue, etc. She is very notable in the context of Azerbaijan, and specifically NK war. When she was killed it was greatly mourned. --adil 07:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Well there's no third party sources, google search engines barely come up with anything, so this is appropriate for deletion or no reliable sources, if this is really a hero. Artaxiad 04:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletions. --   ⇒ bsnowball  09:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Actually, there are third-party sources about her -- for example, here are three from Russian sources: [4], [5], [6] Sometimes Azerbaijani names get different spellings, making it harder to pin point references. --adil 05:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Most Russian sources are associated with Azeri, if it talks about Azeri-related topics obviously, the references added to the article are POV and inappropriate, you should help expand the article instead of going around in other articles and reverting, just a tip since alot of Azeri related articles need expansion especially off Armenian related articles. Are those Russian sources reliable? if you state them provide a explanation since its a requirement if your seeking to expand the article, which most users would do when a "important" article is on Afd. Artaxiad 01:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The burden of proof is on your side, Artaxiad, it is up to you to prove that those 100% Russian sources, which generally favor the Armenian side, are somehow biased, POV, pro-Azerbaijani. And what can be pro-Azeri in mentioning some basic facts about Salatyn Askerova? By doing this you seem to subconsciously admit that you try to delete pages, articles, references that have anything good or positive about Azerbaijan and its people, even if they are about a killed young woman journalist, who left a son to grow without a mother. --adil 05:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
and here's in English language from International Federation of Journalists [7],[8] and International News Safety Institute [9]. --adil 05:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
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