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[edit] List of Trinity Blood episodes

Definitely fits all the criteria for a featured list. I hereby nominate this list.--Jack Cox 03:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Object The plot summaries don't actaully summarize the episodes. Some are single sentences that merely establish the episode rather than summarizing it. Some read like teasers, one even included a question. Wikipedia is not advertising for the show, nor does it ask the general reader questions. In addition, the fair use rationales are insufficient. Don't just say the image aides the plot outline, explain how it is aiding the plot. Tell us specifically why that screenshot was chosen. Right now, a non-fan cannot tell the difference between a carefully selected image that represents and a significant aspect of the episode and a randomly chosen image that just happens to come from the episode in question. The list entries are 75% redlinks. I believe the manual of style suggests that lists not use redlinks for its members unless at least two thirds of the entries are already blue links, in this case that would be 16 out of 24. Removing the redlinks may be better than making 10 to 18 stub articles. Jay32183 05:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose per excessive use of fair use images. Other issues: tiny lead and red links. Renata 19:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Object The type of object against Fair Use in lists offered by Renata here can usually be ignored, but in this case there is a slightly different and valid "proportion of reproduction" concern: Proportion of reproduction is not just a number of images in one article - it is how many images you take from one work and what percentage of the work is reprodueced, it is WHICH images are used (as Jay refers to) and it is the image size and resolution. With that in mind here are my substantial objections:
    • All images need to go through {{fairusereduced}}. For the purpose of the episode article they don't need to be more than about 250 to 320 pixels wide.
    • The image summary pages need the treatment outlined by Jay above (See List of X-Men episodes or List of RahXephon media for how it can be done).
    • Either complete the episode articles, or temporarily remove the links to them. It is not certain that you should have articles to all episodes; perhaps only some were particularly notable for example.
    • The lead should be expanded.

Once those are done, we can look at prose and episode summaries. One idea: Since this is a single season - could this become a media list for the whole series including books and other media? --GunnarRene 17:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Object The plot summaries on associated episode page are short and the episodes are non-notable. They could be merged into this list. I would also like to double GunnarRene's suggestion of making it a media page. Finally, the Japanese characters tag is useless template-spam. --Kunzite 00:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of RahXephon media

Wikipedia:Featured list criteria

    • (a) All episodes and CDs have links. We have many anime media lists, but this one has a more worldwide view than most, since it lists media and broadcasts in languages other than English, as well as English editions from regions other than North America. Parts of the lists have been copied to other language Wikipedias.
    • (b) The list is not likely to grow much more, since it includes all existing materials within its criteria.
    • (c) Both inline citations and and general references.
    • (d) Hard to find something disputable here.... Episode order is as aired, and the interlude is placed in the middle, in the mid-May episode break.
    • (e) Recently populated the episode list with episode articles. Not much more to add to this one. Only foreseeable additions are high-def releases and new broadcasts.
    • (f) I leave the structure evaluation up to others. It's "hierarchially" sectioned with interpage links.
  2. MoS
    • (a) Has a lead. Feel free to change it or critique it
    • (c) ToC is long, but has not reached the auto-review limit. Not all headings are ToC-level.
  3. Fair use rationales for all images. Should there be a CD cover there as well, or is the number of fair use images high enough?
  • Support as nominator (self-nomination) --GunnarRene 20:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Support -- Pretty nice LOE hybrid. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 22:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment The fair use rationales on the screenshots do not explain why that particular image was chosen. We need to be sure that the images are representative of the episode, not just a random capture from the episode. Right now, a non-expert cannot do that. Jay32183 22:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Is this something like you had in mind? Or were the a few specific episode screenshots you had problems with? In any case, I don't know if we really have a need to do that; the other featured episode lists don't do this (based on a quick sample). --GunnarRene 23:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Check List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes, in writing those fair use rationales the editors decided some of the images were inappropriate and replaced them. Jay32183 23:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
        • All screenshots in list addressed. Instead of making a new section on the image page, I explained WHY it identifies the episode in the existing section. Struck out the bold "comment"; remove the strike if there are rationales you find weak. --GunnarRene 23:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
          • Those are fine, but it a bit presumptious to strike someone else's comment. Always better to have him or her do it. Jay32183 00:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
            • I've commented on FACs and FLCs before, but it's my first nomination. I'll keep that in mind. --GunnarRene 00:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
            • I addedd Contributors should allow reviewers the opportunity to do this themselves; if you feel that the matter has been addressed, say so rather than striking out the reviewer's text. to the FLC instructions now. --GunnarRene 23:49, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
            • BTW: Support or neutral? --GunnarRene 09:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
              • I'm going to have to stay neutral for now, until I can review the list fully. There doesn't seem to be anything forcing an object though. Jay32183 18:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Support - Very deserving. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 00:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • The tables need fixing, some are larger than others:
Fixed. All are now 98% width.
Have the 26 "main" episodes in one continuous table, not broken up because of the special episodes. If anything, have the recap episode in the same table with the other 26.
It's broken up by episode type. I sorted by story chronology, which I believe is a reasonable list order.
The list breaks have been removed, and the episode list now has uniform columns. I kept the colouring and order, though.
The info on "Title references" on the episode list could be removed. They don't contribute much where they are, and since there are episode articles anyway... have them there. It'd be a little reason to read the article, I think.
Ah, yes. This was a holdover from when the list had no episode articles. Moved into episodes.
Are the colors in the "episode length table" supposed to be a color scheme? If so, what aren't you using them? Also, the ep. length could be incorporated elsewhere, so the table is not really necessary.
It explains the colour scheme used in the list a'la List of Sopranos episodes and shows the different episode types. I am using the colour scheme. It could be possible to combine the list all into one table and have different line colours in it, but that looked ugly. So I went for split-up tables.
I made a second try for a combined table, and it works better now.
There's two entries on the RahXephon Interlude OVA: one inside the episode list, the other under "Other anime." I'd suggest removing the one on the list, since it was an extra with the PS2 game.
I thought it would be useful to show that the OVA fits somewhere in the middle, as an interlude suggested by its title; the OVA section can explain more than the list entry can, and I don't think it warrants its own article.
Not really important but, wouldn't "Printed media" be a better title than "Books"?
Good idea. After all, even though it only lists books, that section also explains about the initial serial run in a magazine, not a book.
A table's not really necessary for the "Theme songs", is it?
Well, it could be a point list... What do other people think?
That's it, for now. So, I'd say: Conditional Support.--Nohansen 12:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Somewhat loosely related to the list, do we really need individual episode articles for this series? I don't think it's a FLC requirement, but they seem to have been created for it? -- Ned Scott 07:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Are you neutral as to the featuring the list? I could go both ways for many of the articles, really. I don't want this to turn into a replacement for DVD liner notes with trivia galore. But some of them definately should have articles, and maybe all. What they give instead of only a list:
      • Both director and writer, which for some episodes in particular are notable and referred to in other articles. The credits that appear on some database sites are also wrong.
      • Links to the episodes on other sites like TV.com and IMDb.
      • Room for specific references related to that episode.
      • Reception information that is specific to that episode. (I allready know of such, particularly for the first episodes, the last episodes, Kyoja Circuit, Child Hood's End, Blue Friend, off the top of my head)
      • RahXephon is thick with foreshadowing and arc points that can be noted in a non-speculative way.
      • Guest cast. Not particularly interesting for the most part, so that's not a reason to keep in itself.--GunnarRene 09:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
      • One more thing: Locations. The plot summary should not be the majority of the article in my view. It should have a concise summary and focus on out-of-universe stuff and references forward and backward. --GunnarRene 09:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
        • I don't really consider it a factor for this FLC if there are episode articles or not, but I just wanted it to be noted that episode articles are certainly not required for an FL. I haven't come to a conclusion on the FLC yet, but I just wanted to note the episode thing while it was on my mind. -- Ned Scott 09:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
          • As I pointed out in The Big O's media peer review, I was also discouraged from creating episode articles. See here. I'm with GunnarRene, there's just some stuff that work better in episode specific articles: Foreshadowing, one-time characters, important locations, etc.--Nohansen 12:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Support One of the finest anime lists I've seen. Better than some other FLs. - Peregrine Fisher 18:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Support Romaji titles need to be fixed though. "Futari no machi" → "Futrai no Machi"--SeizureDog 09:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Support seems nice and meets all parts of WP:FL?. A good looking list. -- Ned Scott 18:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose per excessive use of fair use images. Renata 23:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Specifically? Which image(s) do you object to? Have you read the fair use rationales?
    • Also note that it even has a free/liber image in it; which is more than most other media lists will have for several decades.--GunnarRene 21:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Renata is counting images. This interpretation of FUC#3 was overwhelmingly shot down at the fair use discussion. But Renata will not drop the objection unless the images are removed. Jay32183 21:59, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
        • Well, proportion of reproduction, that is how much of the work is reproduced, would be an "image-counting" objection of the valid sort, but just counting the number of images per article is not. Since this is an animated series with about 12 (and sometimes 24) images per second that adds up at least 15 000 unique images per episode (OP and ED excluded) at a much higher resolution than what I have uploaded. So I guess the objection fails then.--GunnarRene 22:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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