User talk:Wiking

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Contents 1 Native American 2 Article for Dickinson High School 3 Images in Dickinson High School 4 Re: My deletion strategy

[edit] Native American

I would like comments about this term, which is new to me. I like and respect it, but it certainly gives me problems in Denmark. Some people were brought up with the cosy term: Cowboys and Indians - and with all the glamour in Hollywood style, one almost forgot the real problems behind the play. But movies like: Living with Wolves, Soldier Blue - events like: Wounded Knee - and then latest: Crazy Horse Memorial changed my mind. I should add, that I'm defending the views of Stephen E. Ambrose, who has written a fabolous tale about Custer and Crazy Horse, which made me speculate: Why didn't I learn about that in elementary school or high school?

So please enter and add YOUR comments here, if you like. And if Wikipedia is not large enough for that, then please write me at post@hansjorn.dk or visit my website at http://wikimedia.dk/, since I would like to elaborate ..

[edit] Article for Dickinson High School

Hans, thank you for your contribution. You left the article from the point of view as someone celebrating his 1964 reunion. Can you please help refactor this into something a bit more... modern and useful? Your quick edits may help save this article from being deleted. Best regards. —[[User:Radman1|RaD Man (talk)]] 02:09, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

(Note: I have emailed the author regarding this article and image licensing issues. Hopefully a response will be received before VfD passes.)

Thanks for alerting me - my fault, that I've been away for that long ..--Hansjorn 23:36, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

Just thought of something: When I was in Dickinson back in 1964 I visited a person, who worked as a judge at the Nuremberg Trials i 1945 - and the connection came by a DHS teacher Richard Sargent who taught Problems of Democracy - but .. I've forgot his name. Just a tiny note on notability - and come to think of it, Edvard Kennedy visited our school in 1964 after the assasination of his brother.--Hansjorn 23:45, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Images in Dickinson High School

Uh, if you want to use these images in Wikipedia you need to explicitly release them under the terms of the GFDL license.

I realize it seems as if maybe you did that when you clicked the checkbox. But it's not enough, particularly when you actually put copyright notices, © symbols and all, in the image description.

If you want to avoid problems, go back to [Image:Dickinson-nd-dhs-1984.jpg] and [Image:Dickinson-nd-dhs-1964.jpg] and add some language like this: "These images were uploaded by the photographer, Hans Andersen, and are released under the terms of the GFDL." Then add the tag GFDL in curly braces, like this. {{GFDL}}

Re Votes for Deletion. High schools are very contentious topics. There is a faction that believes high school articles should only be included if the high schools are notable, another that believes all high schools should be included, and a spectrum of opinion in between. The most constructive thing you can do if you want the article to be kept is to expand it over the next few days, with an emphasis on including anything that makes the school notable, such as famous alumni.

Don't get upset by what you see in VfD, which can be a fairly brutal process.

You can join the VfD discussion. Since you have an account and since it was in existence before the VfD discussion, you are entitled to vote, presumably "keep," and your vote will be taken into account. If you were planning to add to the article within the next five days, be sure to say so.

If you had been planning to expand the article, but in a more leisurely way, you might have been able to avoid VfD by composing the article in your user space first, then moving it to Dickinson High School when it was in a reasonable stage of completion. Too late now, just pointing that out. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 23:51, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hopefully I have put the photos right now. And I do have some photos of the mighty Midget mascot, that I plan to add. But .. I must add, that I am rather new to this "voting" thing - never heard about it before, but I can see the general idea about being 'notable'. I had also hoped for help from some other guys having attended this school, but alas .. they are busy with everything else. So .. thumbs up and let's do a little work.--Hansjorn 23:40, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for GFDL'ing the images. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 00:13, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Re: My deletion strategy

Don't take the 'Lord' in 'Lord Bob' the wrong way. I just think it sounds neat. The contrast between the stiff formality of a 'Lord' and the easy-going, sort of suburbian relaxation of 'Bob' tickles my mental ear. I'm neither nobility, nor a Robert, so there's no personal significance.

However, the meat of your message on my user talk page was on my deletion strategy. Yes, I'm a deletionist. Yes, I tend to vote Delete much more often than I vote Keep: because the articles I generally think should be kept are usually getting bombarded with 'Keep' votes and will easily survive VfD, by the looks of things. Deleting is a much harder thing to do than keeping (as it should be). I tend to think that the burden of proof is on the article to prove that it isn't delete-worthy, because notability is an important criteria for me. I haven't given the VfD situation of Dickinson High much thought beyond my original VfD vote, which, looking at the article as it stood then, I stand by. Since it seems likely to survive VfD by a rather wide margain, I saw no need to bother myself thinking about trying to turn near-unanimous decision into a near-near-unanimous one.

I did not mean to offend you by saying that the article did not establish notability, because in my mind it didn't. I have made it very clear in my VfD history when I think that a author should be panned for their work, and this was not one of those cases. I have no reason to assume you're anything other than an excellent Wikipedia contributor, and I genuinely regret any offense I may have caused. Lord Bob 06:37, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)