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RE: Trockiy2.jpg

I think the russian uploder for this image claims it is "старую" = old, and that it is fair use. I hope that will be okay. Please contact me if you want more information. Bronks November 12, 2005. (pre-lunch)

PS. I checked out the Magyar (i.e. Hungarian) wiki where they also have this picture of Trotsky and they gave this copyright: {{közkincs-szu}}, which I guess is the same as {{sovietpd}}. So I think we can use that! Bronks November 12, 2005. (post-lunch)

Thanks. --Wikiacc (talk) 23:59, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Images

Thanx for catching that one. This was one of the earlier images we uploaded when the policy for images was a bit more relaxed. I'm not sure where exactly I got the image from. I cant find it on my salvage folder from my old hard drive. But I'm thinking it was probably an ICHO (Iran Cultural Heritage Organization) image, which would make it a government image. I'll re-tag it.

There are probably some images floating around like that one that have unclear tags.

Thanx.--Zereshk 21:58, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Also, why did you erase the Parliament image? That image is perfectly legal under the United States Copyright laws. I do remember that statement by Jimbo Wales. He said:

"...Unless there is something particularly strange about the copyright situation in Iran..."

As it happens, the copyright situation in Iran is anything but normal. Iran is not a member of any of the following International Copyright treaties:

• BAC: Buenos Aires Convention
• Berne Convention
• Convention for the Protection of Producers of Phonograms Against Unauthorized *Duplication of Phonograms.
• UCC Paris: Universal Copyright Convention,
• UCC Geneva: ditto
• WCT: World Intellectual Property Organization Copyright Treaty
• WPPT: World Intellectual Property Organization
• WTO

Besides, this is a govt image. It is not a private, corportae, or individual produced image. i.e. it carries no proprietary ownership.

Also, the links need to be restored. These links are found on no other website in one place, and are very hard to find links (many dont appear on google searches). Many journalists, researchers, and students have been using the Iran page official govt links to access these govt websites.--Zereshk 22:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Zereshk,

Jimbo stated that Wikipedia should respect Iranian copyright laws (as if any of those treaties went in place tomorrow). Also, government works are copyrighted in most countries (and are enforced vigorously in some, such as Australia); if Iran is an exception, please notify me to that extent.

Wikipedia is not a mere collection of external links. The links could alternately be spread out among subpages (e.g. the Ministry of Commerce linked from Economy of Iran). If a list of links is needed, the DMOZ Regional: Middle East: Iran: Government category is just the place.

Thanks. --Wikiacc (talk) 20:21, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Greetings,

I am therefore taking it that you are saying that we should take Jimbo Wales above International Law and that we are to disregard the current United States copyright laws in consideration of a possible change tomorrow. I find that a bit problematic. I dont know what the fuss is about an image from Iran's parliament website that will be posted to explain about Iran's parliament on WP. There is no intellectual ownership invloved here.

That being said, if people here insist it is copyright violation, then so be it. I will have to supplant another image for it from another source.

As for the links, I disagree with you and firmly maintain my position. Even the link you posted says: "There is nothing wrong with adding a list of content-relevant links to an article". And it would be inconsistent to have such a list for United States, but not for Iran. They are directly relevant, and they do not overshadow or eclipse the article by any means.--Zereshk 22:35, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello Zereshk,

Yes, that is what I am saying. It is not a violation of international or U.S. law to enforce the Wikimedia Foundation's internal Iran copyright policy as it currently stands. If the image has no intellectual ownership, as you claim, a valid case can be made for fair use, nullifying its current status as a copyright violation.

Your comparison of the Iran links table to the links section at United States is somewhat similar to comparison of apples and oranges (to use a popular cliche): the links section at United States does not contain websites for every government department; rather it contains websites for the major branches of government; CIA, Census and Information Agency profiles; and even a few admittedly irrelevant, such as the DMV link; whereas the Iran table claims to contain the websites of every government agency and ministry, even those not mentioned, referenced or directly relevant to the article. --Wikiacc (talk) 22:57, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I will replace the Iran parliament image. It can go. I have no further comment on that.

However, my argument on the links does hold, because you took out the entire table of links, deleting all of it, instead of merely cutting it down to links to key departments and branches of govt, as you say is the case for the US. My argument would be that Iran has many more branches of govt and key centers of power than the tripartate US govt. However, if you would agree and leave it up to me, I can cut down on the list and trim the link table. How's that sound?--Zereshk 03:23, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I found the source of the Tehranshomal image. It's not an ICHO image. Therefore if youve decided that the parliament image cannot stay, then neither can this. Because I got it from a similar source.--Zereshk 03:48, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for resolving the copyright issues. As for the links table, I like your suggestion--it will definitely work and be an appropriate compromise. Thanks! --Wikiacc (talk) 20:43, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello

I have to be frank. I think we need a disambig page for Pinter, wouldn't you agree? — BRIAN0918 • 2005-11-29 02:53

BD2412's RFA

Although my RfA is not over yet, I figured that since so many people voted before it had been posted, I may as well start thanking people before it wraps up. It'll take me that long to thank everyone who voted anyway! Thank you, Wikiacc - really, I wasn't one already, but it looks like I will be soon - and I'll do my best as an admin to make the reality rise to the level of the dream. BD2412 T 05:14, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Image needs to be removed

Hi.

Would you please remove this image? I dont have the photographer's permission anymore (lost it), and I cant reproduce it (I cant find him).

Image:Tehran-blvd.jpg

thanx.--Zereshk 23:44, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for this information. I have deleted the image. --Wikiacc (talk) 02:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

RfC on Democrat userbox

FYI. I've named you as a co-conspirator in efforts to subvert Karmafist's edits on Template:User democrat. You can throw your 2 cents in on the RfC if you like. --StuffOfInterest 22:21, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Just a quick clarification. The "co-conspirator" reference was meant as a joke. Being that you had made edits on the template I figured you would want to say something on the RfC. No malice intended. --StuffOfInterest 02:23, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Early RFA thanks

Hi Wikiacc/Archive04,

Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. It has done very well and is currently at 67/0/2. As such, I am posting this in advance of its closure. If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know. Thank you once again! – NSLE _(T+C+CVU) 01:07, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations. (BTW, out of curiosity, is there any particular reason behind the Katrina image?) --Wikiacc (talk) 01:12, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

"Actually, no, no particular reasoning behind that. Most RFA-thankers use a pic, and since I do quite a bit of work on cyclones I decided to use one of a hurricane (unfortunately for all the wrong reasons, Katrina jumped to mind...) NSLE _(T+C+CVU) 01:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Avoid using meta-templates

Please do not use meta-templates. I can see in your edit summaries you acknowledge that point, yet going ahead anyway.

Also, if you want to experiment, don't use a "live" template like Template:Infobox City. -- Netoholic @ 19:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Trouble on the Iranian pages

wikiacc,

Would you please monitor the West Azarbaijan page? User:Diyako has turned the page into a pro-Kurdih secessionist platform. He keeps taking down the POV tag I put up (in protest to the inaccurate information he has filled the page with), and keeps reverting all other editors as well. Thanx.--Zereshk 21:38, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I am watching the page and will take necessary action in response to edit wars. --Wikiacc (talk) 22:22, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Obviously, Ive reached my reverting limit. So I cannot do anything from here on for the day. I leave it all in your hands. Thanx again--Zereshk 22:28, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi

No. I do not remove. this is zereshk who remove and revert credible information. and changes the name of the map. You can cheque the history of the page. Thank you Diyako Talk + 22:48, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, please do check the history of the page in the past week. He has been reverting other editors as well.--Zereshk 23:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

For Exemple here we can estimate. Kurds are Not a significant minority, more than this. Thank You Diyako Talk + 20:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Unverified source image

Please see this. Thanx:

Image:Tehran polic.jpg

--Zereshk 23:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I have notified the user and tagged the image. (It will be deleted in 7 days.) --Wikiacc (talk) 01:19, 10 December 2005 (UTC)