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[edit] Bosnian Wikipedia > 10,000

Few minutes ago, the Bosnian Wikipedia reached article no. 10.000! Could someone (administrators) change the template? Thank you! :) --Kahriman 21:40, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian Wikipedia

The link for Armenian Wikipedia should read: "Հայերեն (Armenian)" -- currently, it reads "Main Page [in Armenian] (Armenian)". —this is messedrocker (talk) 06:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Looks like it was fixed. Thank you. —this is messedrocker (talk) 06:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, MessedRocker and IceKarma. --DanielNuyu 06:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 10000+

I think the links to 10000+ article other language Wikipedias should be added again. If there is any point to this section, then such Wikipedias are of sufficient size to be included.

zoney ♣ talk 16:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Many previous debates have determined that users feel these others should be listed. Other data has shown that traffic for other Wikipedias declines when they are removed from the front page. Please return them. Tfine80 16:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
First, previous debates do not prevent a page from being changed in the present or future. Second, please link to this data. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-07-29 17:32

One massive list o' links is useless for readers. Nobody is going to try to skim through them to find what they're looking for. The current list is nice and short, just like the lists on other Wikipedias. If people want to see 10,000+, they simply click on Complete List. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-07-29 17:30

[edit] Changes needed

The following Wikipedias now have enough articles to put them in a different section:

  • Slovak (sk; Slovenčina) has over 50,000
  • Georgian (ka; Kartuli) has over 10,000

Also, since the order seems to be by the languages' transliterated native names, the following changes should probably be made:

  • Japanese (Nihongo) should appear after Dutch (Nederlands)
  • Serbian under "S" (Srpski)
  • Korean (Hangugeo) after Hebrew (‘Ivrit)
  • Simple English under either "S" or "E" (but not first)
    • If Simple English is placed under "S", then Thai (Phasa Thai) would come before it.
  • Greek (Ellinika) after Estonian (Eesti)
  • The name for the Neapolitan language is Nnapulitano; I think napulitana is an adjective.

Ardric47 23:47, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, the Vietnamese Wikipedia has just reached 10,000 articles, enough to be relisted. Please add the following code at the end of the 10,000+ list:

 '''·''' [[:vi:|Tiếng Việt]]

Thanks.

– Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 16:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Please capitalize the Tiếng in Tiếng Việt, to be consistent. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 00:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

All good now. —Mets501 (talk) 19:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
The languages were "offically" ordered by domain name. This gets horribly confused by admins adding items in either by the English name for a language or the name for itself. If people are OK with this change, please change Wikipedia:Main Page FAQ#Why aren't the languages of the other Wikipedia language editions in alphabetical order? as appropriate. Thanks, BT 13:52, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 100,000 reloaded

The change was requested several times, here's the next one. That's how it looks today:

This Wikipedia is written in English. Started in 2001, it currently contains 1,362,174 articles. Many other Wikipedias are available; the largest are listed below.

    Some numbers from today (bold entries would even qualify for a 250,000 articles category):

    459,456 articles in Deutsch
148,947 articles in Español
 57,088 articles in Esperanto
355,005 articles in Français
192,296 articles in Italiano
224,505 articles in Nederlands
252,788 articles in 日本語
 73,613 articles in Norsk bokmål
289,582 articles in Polski
176,492 articles in Português
103,889 articles in Русский
 56,247 articles in Slovenčina
 76,816 articles in Suomi
181,479 articles in Svenska
 86,719 articles in 中文

    As I've written in the discussion of the main page (from where I was forwarded to this discussion page), it's true that all these Wikipedias technichally are over 50,000 articles, but then again the current categories are lowering (POV-like) the work of all the editors of the other Wikipedias. A WP with 10,000 good articles in fact is better than a WP with 100,000 stubs, but that's not the point of my request here. It looks just _so_ wrong to display the ~1.5 million articles of the English WP next to "over 50,000" articles of the German, French, Polish and Japanese (just to mention the 4 biggest Non-English) WPs. --32X 15:27, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

    To give an extra motivation to edit the template: "[[:pt:| Português]]" includes a space where it shouldn't be. ;) --32X 15:36, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
    It should be noted that the Spanish Wikipedia lists the sizes of other wikipedias by 100,000 and 10,000 - as do the Latin Wikipedia, Portugese Wikipedia, and others. --Tim4christ17 talk 13:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Danish Wikipedia > 50,000

    The Danish Wikipedia just reached its 50,000th article. --pred 22:02, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

    {{editprotected}}--81.161.184.111 05:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
    Hello! I elevated the link several hours ago (in response to a message posted on the main page). —David Levy 05:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Telugu Wikipedia > 10,000

    Telugu Wikpedia has 10,000+ articles. It is not in the list. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shyam Bihari (talk • contribs) 07:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC).

    I've added Telugu to the list. —David Levy 07:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Tagging non-English words

    Hello, I'm currently working at the Wikipedia:Accessibility project, and one of the requirements of web accessibility is to specify the language of non-English words with the HTML lang attribute. This is also useful for let the browser to choose high-quality fonts for specific languages (see Template talk:lang#Justification for more details).

    Almost every link to other Wikipedias is a non-English word, so they should be tagged using the {{lang}} template. Please, find a ready made version in one of my subpages: User:Suruena/wikipedialang. Thanks! --surueña 14:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

    I brought this to the bottom to re-open discussion. Was there any objection to this or did it just not get done by anyone. The goal seems laudable as long as that's the right way to do it we should. As a somewhat related note, Suruena's version includes the English name of each language, which after reading all the related discussion from the main page talk archives I could find no support for. The main page is in English and an English speaker should be able to at least know what language is in the list so they can go look it up and read about it if they want. తెలుగు means nothing to anyone that doesn't know the script, but at least with Telugu they can go read Telugu. - Taxman Talk 14:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Arabic Wikipedia > 20,000

    Arabic Wikipedia has reached 20,000 Articles, please update here and in interwikis template. Thanks :) --Mido 08:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Alphabetical order

    Shyam Bihari just rearranged some of the languages in this template. While I agree with moving te: away from the end of the 20,000+ list, I don't think ja: and nl: should've switched places. I think the languages were being arranged by their native names (or transliterations), in which case Nihongo (ja:) comes after Nederlands (nl:), rather than their ISO codes. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 08:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

    Jep, [1]. Looking at the changes ([2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8] (my favourite one), [9], [10]) I really wonder why this template is locked when so many people edit it in a trial-and-error mode. (Quite interesting to see how the 100.000+ articles WP became 10.000+ articles in about a week.)
    In case my rant missed the point: Think before you edit, talk to others first. --32X 11:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
    I suppose, the name of the language also starts with ja. Really sorry about that. I am going to swap the order of Nihongo and Nederlands. I will take care to discuss here before making any change. Regards, Shyam (T/C) 11:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Someone fix this typo

    Call me a Grammar Nazi, but it's really bugging me since the page is protected.

    "If your are moving a language..." --Wafulz 16:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Deutsch Wikipedia @ 500,000

    They will hit 500,000 articles any time now. Should there be a new 500,000+ category created? --Dgies 19:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

    Please see Talk:Main Page#German Wikipedia 500,000th entry. —David Levy 19:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

    "Creating a new +500000 section for dewiki alone is a bit excessive; however, it is does seem appropriate to separate out the +100k and the +250k (of which there are currently 4). Feel free to revert." - If I could, I would revert it - in about a week. 1 week is enough to celebrate the recent achievments. :) (Yeah, I've suggested the 250k group earlier, but after some talks I came to the conclusion that only a logarithmic system is fair - until there's a second WP reaching the 1 million mark.) --32X 21:39, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

    Hmm .. well, I thought it was a rather fair comprimise, as 4 Wikipedias have already reached the 250k mark and two others are very closely behind. It also seems rather ostentatious of enwiki to gloat about its 1.5 million articles and then severely underrate other wikis' accomplishments--there is quite a difference between 500k+ and 100k+. Would you care to explain upon why only a logarithmic system is fair? AmiDaniel (talk) 22:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
    Actually I cannot really say what is fair (for unfair see #100,000 reloaded), and somehow you're right. But when I look at meta:List of Wikipedias all I see is a fair list because it's not grouped by randomly chosen values. Concerning the fact that the Dutch WP will have 250k articles soon (that makes 5 in 250k, 6 in 100k) someone may think about changing that value. If the border would be lowered to 200k, then there'd be soon 8 entries (with pt and sv) leaving 3 in 100k. So that all looks like categorizing in different quality classes while the logarithmic scale is way simplier: 8M or 9M is a bigger difference than 10k or 100k, but the achivement is lower (x*1.125 vs. x*10).
    Anyway, I think that template is changed way too often, so even my "rants" aren't arguments for an immediate change. ;) --32X 23:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

    I'm not sure there is anything especially natural about a logarithmic series (unless one has a good explanations about why Wikipedias should be distributed exponentially in size), but here is another logarthmic series:

    As is evident here, they aren't really exponentially distributed (at least not at the very large end). So it is really about finding a way to convey useful information while taking up a reasonable amount of real estate, and shouldn't be about trying to force their distribution into some preconceived notion of what is a "fair" distribution. Dragons flight 00:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

    Now that distribution I like quite a bit better, honestly. The only problems I see are that 16,000 seems like quite an odd number to begin on (perhaps we could cheat and start at 15,000?) and that it takes up an extra line of "real estate," but otherwise I like it. AmiDaniel (talk) 00:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Compliments, and a question

    I really like the current selection of language links, both in the bottom section and the sidebar (+ the "complete list" link in sidebar). Aesthetic line-wrap, too. Good work, whoever all is responsible for the current incarnation of this much-discussed segment.. :) (copied from talk:main page)

    I was wondering if the "Start a Wikipedia in another language" link was really necessary? It's already linked by the second section at Multilingual coordination, and the lead section at Complete list... Thanks :) --Quiddity 04:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Galician Wikipedia > 20,000

    Galician Wikipedia has reached 20,000 articles, please update Wikipedia languages. Thanks --Prevert(talk) 15:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

    Done. Sandstein 06:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Fix the middot, please

    The "middot" between Finnish (Suomi) and Telugu (తెలుగు) is actually a period:

      Please fix. — Äþelwulf See my contributions. 06:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

      Fixed. —David Levy 06:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

      [edit] Switch to 300,000+

      A self-proclaimed coulrophobic insomniac changed the limit for the top tier from 250,000 to 300,000 just three days before the Dutch wikipedia passed the quarter million articles mark. Was that just a tease? — Afasmit 22:02, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

      I'm certain that this was an honest oversight. I've reverted the change and moved the Dutch Wikipedia to the top level. —David Levy 22:15, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
      Thanks! I didn't really think that was intentional either. — Afasmit 05:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

      [edit] Nynorsk Wikipedia > 20,000

      Wikipedia on norsk (nynorsk) (nn:) has reached 20,000 articles, please update Wikipedia languages. --EIRIK\talk 00:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

      [edit] Cebuano Wikipedia > 20,000

      The Cebuano wiki has hit the 20,000-article mark. Please update immediately. --Slgrandson (page - messages - contribs) 22:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

      [edit] Finnish Wikipedia > 100,000

      Finnish Wikipedia just passed 100k articles. MikkoM 17:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

      [edit] Cut-off point change

      With the continuing growth of all the Wikipedias, I feel that the "20,000 articles" mark is too low a cut-off point. I suggest that the point be changed to 25,000 instead, which (separating out those that make 50,000) would look like as follows:

      This Wikipedia is written in English. Started in 2001, it currently contains 1,719,217 articles. Many other Wikipedias are available; the largest are listed below.

              Complete list · Multilingual coordination · Start a Wikipedia in another language

              This seems less cluttered, and adds more value to the Wikipedias that make the mark. There's always more room for expansion!

              On another note, currently Korea lacks a "(ko:)" tag, and for some reason we're entirely missing Sinugboanong Binisaya! Jack · talk · 09:54, Thursday, 15 February 2007

              I've made the above-referenced corrections. I personally have no objections to the current layout, but I support whatever arbitrary setup the community deems desirable. —David Levy 23:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
              Thanks for changes, although I still think my layout is better. You don't think it's easier to read this way? I like the repetition in the numbers, seems (almost) like a geometric progression, and while this new cut-off point only currently excludes 3 Wikipedias, that'll be set to change, and we need to keep bumping it up or the list will continue to grow and bloat. I think it just seems unfair that Nynorsk and Norsk are in the same category, when the latter is 5 times the size of the former. Could we perhaps gain more of a consensus? - Jack · talk · 05:08, Friday, 16 February 2007
              Absolutely. I suggest that you post your proposal (or a summary thereof) at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) and encourage people to reply here.
              Your version seems fine to me, but I also have no problem with the section's increasing length (given the fact that it's at the bottom of the main page). If we adopt a four-tiered format, I'd prefer that we retain the "20,000" designation (thereby preserving the ascending quantities). —David Levy 05:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
              I agree with Jack. The proposed layout is better than present one. Shyam (T/C) 05:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
              I second the above. -- Qarnos 06:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
              The cut off point is fine, but it should say "Norsk (bokmål)" and not just (Norsk). Rettetast 12:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
              Not on front page=less traffic=less edits=less new articles=will not reach 25k as fast as if it were on front page. --Indolences 17:58, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
              Do you suggest we transclude meta:List of Wikipedias onto the front page, then? Because if the cut-off point is not continuously changed then that's the inevitable outcome - Jack · talk · 23:36, Friday, 16 February 2007

              I don't understand with obsession with ranking the languages in fine groups of superiority. In my opinion, two ranks would be just fine (see below).--Pharos 18:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

              This Wikipedia is written in English. Started in 2001, it currently contains 1,719,217 articles. Many other Wikipedias are available; the largest are listed below.

              · Suomi · Svenska · 中文

                  Complete list · Multilingual coordination · Start a Wikipedia in another language

                  Like I said, I think it gives more value to each of the Wikipedias that make the mark. Kinda like how the Olympics have gold, silver and bronze. Or how LPs can reach gold, platinum and double platinum. Categorisation is human nature, and its the reason we moved away from the original layout. We're here to provide information, and the proposed layout provides the most information about the information we provide, without diminishing returns - Jack · talk · 06:31, Saturday, 17 February 2007

                  [edit] Copied from User talk:Jrockley

                  I agree that sufficient time has elapsed to proceed with a tentative implementation of consensus. What concerns me is that only one supporter has explicitly referenced the proposed "25,000" cut-off point. Of the other two supporters, one only mentioned the "layout," and the other expressed agreement with the first. Of the two opponents, one criticised the layout (but not the "25,000" cut-off point), but the other criticised the "25,000" cut-off point (but not the layout).

                  I'm inclined to say that there is rough consensus (subject to change) for the new layout, but not for the new cut-off point. Keep in mind that while I believe that the above is a fair assessment of the situation, I am not entirely impartial on this matter; I have no strong feelings either way, but I would prefer to retain the "20,000" cut-off point for the time being. I agree that we need to occasionally adjust these numbers (and raise the inclusion threshold) to prevent the section from becoming too large or unbalanced, but I believe that it looks a bit strange to have fewer languages listed in any tier than in the tier directly above it (because the higher number of articles is supposed to be a more notable distinction). If we switch to your four-tier layout (but retain the "20,000" designation), the numbers in each of the tiers (from top to bottom) would be 6, 6, 11 and 13. With the "25,000" cut-off point, the numbers would be 6, 6, 11 and 10 (which almost makes the last tier seem more special than the one above it).

                  Please note, however, that the Arabic Wikipedia is only 252 articles away from reaching the 25,000-article threshold (and changing the criteria to barely exclude it could be mistaken for a political maneuver). I suggest that we implement the four-tier layout now, and we can change the lowest tier to "25,000" when the Arabic Wikipedia reaches that level (most likely resulting in a breakdown of 6, 6, 11 and 11). How does that sound? —David Levy 17:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

                  The last part of your comment actually made me laugh out loud. News headline: "Wikipedia does its part in the war against terrorism!" Yes, I very much don't want to get into another argument about who the real terrorists are... I think your idea is wonderful, I fully support - Jack · talk · 17:31, Sunday, 18 February 2007
                  Okay then. I've performed the change. Now we can sit back and see what happens. (Don't be surprised if someone—perhaps Raul654—reverts.) Either way, we'll draw more attention to the matter (and hopefully receive additional feedback).
                  Yes, the Arabic issue does seem somewhat comical, but I've lost count of the number of times that people have complained about ethnic or nationalistic bias on the main page. The Hebrew Wikipedia's inclusion wouldn't help matters. :-) —David Levy 18:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
                  While it may sound comical, there's a non-comical background here on this talk page. --32X 03:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

                  [edit] Interwiki links

                  Dear administrator, please add the following interwiki links:

                  [[ca:Plantilla:Contingut Altres llengües]]
[[es:Plantilla:Portada:Idiomas]]
[[ia:Patrono:Altere linguas]]

                  Thank you in advance, Julian 05:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

                  Done. —David Levy 05:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

                  [edit] Norwegian Wikipedia > 100,000

                  {{editprotected}} Norwegian Wikipedia has reached 100.000. Rettetast 19:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

                  Thank you Shanel. Rettetast 20:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

                  [edit] German Wikipedia > 500,000

                  A new section should be added in the Template:Wikipedialang:

                  • More than 500,000 articles: Deutsch

                  --Wittkowsky 14:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

                  See further up this page for previous discussion. It is a poor use of space to create a seperate category for just one entry. Dragons flight 16:10, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

                  Oh sorry, didn't know the the electronic medium Wikipedia has space-problems with a one-liner (that in the not too far future will be added by the French Wikipedia, also reaching that numer). --Wittkowsky 17:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

                  Es heißt zwar nachdenken, du solltest es aber vorher tun.
                  Dragons flight was refering to screen space, which is at the user's side of the internet cloud. No matter what Wikipedia does, screen space will always be limited, therefor it should be used wisely (f.e. when there are 3 or more items). --32X 20:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
                  Propose adding that once French hits 500K soon - NYC JD (objection, asked and answered!) 19:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
                  After looking at the template once again I still think it doesn't make sense. Two times 500k, four times (maybe five than) 250k - WHY? In my opinion, the 250k isn't even that important, a log-10 scale would be fine if people could live with some more wikipediae (that haven't reached the 25k yet). --32X 21:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

                  [edit] Cebuano > 25,000 =

                  Most of them are about French communes. Yet, the Wikipedia in Cebuano do have more than 25,000 articles. Thierry Caro 08:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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