Talk:Wicked (novel)

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Contents 1 Wikipedia:WikiProject Oz 2 Shoes 3 dorothy 4 Plot section.... was Melena pregnant during the wizard's visit? 5 compare and contrast other Oz works? 6 Who does this really center around? 7 Elphaba's birth?

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Oz

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[edit] Shoes

I belive the shoes were silver not Ruby in this book, the wicked musical as well as the orginal oz books.Lego3400 01:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

the shoes were made of glass through skills Frex learned from turtle heart. Zappernapper 22:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Maguire takes care never to call the shoes either "silver" or "ruby", instead using poetic descriptions of the way the shoes catch the light. This way, the reader can envision them either as ruby (per the film) or silver (per Baum's original book). —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

In other areas where the movie and book differed he always sided with the movie. I thought Maguire made the shoes ambiguous to avoid paying a fee for use of the part of the story that MGM still holds under copyright: http://www.eskimo.com/~tiktok/faq19.html#11 172.162.255.176 13:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I know (smiles), but i think the fact that the shoes indeed were made of iridescent glass beads is something worth noted in the article itself. Zappernapper 23:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, sure. There might even be room for a brief quoted description from the novel. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] dorothy

I'm pretty sure Dorothy wasn't eight or nine, she was more like twelve or thirteen, possibly fourteen or fifteen.

it's really hard to say how old dorothy is supposed to be because the author borrows from both the orginal book and the movie (e.g. references to Boq, but nothing about the Witch of the South). If we went by the book, then 10 is accurate, but the age Judy Garland portrays is significantly older (we have to remember that the part was orginally written for Shirly Temple who was indeed much younger looking. Zappernapper 22:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

you know.... never mind that bit about Shirley Temple, according to the 50th Anniversary Edition VHS booklet, that's a myth and MGM only briefly thought about hiring her, but Judy Garland was actually the orginal choice. Zappernapper 21:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plot section.... was Melena pregnant during the wizard's visit?

I find myself at odds with the fact that the plot section suggests the Elixur made Elphie green, as a result of having been drunk by Melena while pregnant. It was my understanding that the elixer made her very drunk or otherwise drugged and then had sex with the "salesman." If ne1 wishes to dispute this please let me know but i'll be changing it soon if no one objects. Zappernapper 22:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to re-read both novels to make my eventual plot summaries accurate, but I believe that Elphaba's mother was already rather "heady" over the roots she would chew, and the elixir gave her hallucinations, as well as having a side effect on the pregnancy. Cybertooth85 04:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

How about we say, "may or may not" have been responsible for turning her green? I just presumed it was because she was "born of both worlds." Case in point - Liir's daughter at the end of the book is green and we have no reason to think that Candle drank the Elixur. -Zappernapper 04:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. However, with Liir's daughter, it could just be an instance of genetics, with the green skin being a recessive mutation...or some other convenient lie;) Cybertooth85 23:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] compare and contrast other Oz works?

The Wizard of Oz book and movie pages each have some info about each other and about Wicked. How about a section here detailing the differences between Wicked and Wizards? 172.162.255.176 13:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Who does this really center around?

In the description it says "The story centers around Elphaba, the misunderstood green-skinned girl who grows up to become the infamous Wicked Witch of the West." Now, this may be original research and might be wrong, as I've only read a quarter of the book, but it doesn't center around Elphaba. It seems to concentrate on other people (Galinda, Fex and Melena, Boq). Only occassionally does it focus on Elphaba, spending more time following the other characters when Elphie isn't even around. This is either bad story telling for a book about the Wicked Witch of the West or she's not what the book is actually about. Maybe the description in this entry should reflect this structure in some way? Again, I have yet to read the last 300 pages and my opinion may change, but still feel like there was much too few pages about the supposed central character. 68.48.229.193 17:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

The novel is about Elphaba. Other characters are important, and get their share of the spotlight, but Elphaba is the central character; more of the book is from her point of view later on. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elphaba's birth?

"She later gives birth to the child Elphaba, inside a device called The Clock of the Time Dragon" The clock of the time dragon is a sort of theatrical device, this appears NOWHERE in the wicked book that elphaba was given birth inside the device, f anything the clock should be explained as well, it's a large part of Muchkinlanders and is alluded to several times throughout the rest of the book.Michael Cook 18:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)