Talk:Wicked (musical)

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[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Oz

There is a new WikiProject about Oz and Wicked: WikiProject Oz. I hope to create a community to help guide the continued development of the articles about the series and its authors, characters, etc. toward even more quality articles. If you are interested, please add your name under the "Participants section" and please leave any comments or questions on the project's talk page or my user talk page. [[User:JonMoore|— —JonMoore 20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 21:58, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Important

Why was Toronto struck out already when it says performances until December 31st? Should this be fixed?

[edit] Movie Version

I recall hearing somewhere that Miramax has the rights to a movie version of Wicked. I don't believe anything official has been announced yet, though. Should this speculative information be posted?

No, wait until you have confirmation that this is a fact. --Tati 22:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC) Wikichik

Sorry, not really relating to the article, but God, I hope they make a movie version of this. It would literally be "wicked". :)

If anyone noes if there is a movie version please post it would be very helpful

Alright, I've confirmed that Universal Pictures currently holds the rights to a Wicked movie. However, my source cannot be cited at the time being. I'm going to do some research to see if I can find a good source for this information--until then, I think we should keep it out of the Wiki.

I think a movie version would sort of ruin the the show...

/\/\/\ I dont see how it would ruin the show, sooo many shows i've wanted to see again, but are no longer running, or cannot get to london.

P.s Movies dont usally use the same music as the shows, so it wouldnt be the same :-(

Four words...Phantom of the Opera...I think a movie would be awesome

One more word: Chicago. Same numbers in the same order, only cutting out the number "Class". They use the same music. -Anonny.-------------------------------------------

[edit] Length

Does anyone else think the plot summary is way too long? It doesn't need to include every single detail of the show; it just needs to summarize the plot. Chris 18:02, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree. 168.39.166.145 13:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I personally think the article is becoming too overloaded with information in general (despite the fact that I'm sure much of this information has been contributed by me). For example, do we really need a list of EVERY cast for every production there's been, both original and current? I don't think things like that are all that necessary for this article, unless someone wants to create Wicked (musical)/additional productions (or something to that effect). Alex 23:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Not only that, but the plot summary may be a copyright violation. It was added in one chunk by the user with IP 68.144.242.205, who also added a similar synopsis to Aida (musical). The latter was a verbatim copy from [1], but I wasn't able to find a source for this plot summary. Still, someone should look into it. --ArthurDenture 02:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Update: The synopsis appears to be copied from [2].

I totally agree that it is to long. It says may be "SOME plot spoilers" but it seems like they give an entire look at the play. The only thing not there is the lyrics and sheet music to the songs.

I agree, someone needs to change this. This is supposed to be an encyclopaedic description of the play, not the sparknotes for it. --Ringwraith10 12:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is too long, and should be slimmed down. However, I disagree that "spoilers" should be removed. This is an encyclopedia, not a teaser for the show. It should summarize all the important parts of the plot. The spoiler tags are there to let anyone know that if they don't want to know how it ends, they should not read this section. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 02:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Liberetto link legality

I noticed the link to the musical's entire liberetto. This is on a russian website, and doesn't look like it is legal. Should this be removed?


[edit] WICKED font

The official logotype for Wicked is a font called Rubens. Can anyone find it on a site for free? And does anyone know the clipart for the witch in the "I" ?

Rubens is easy enough to find. Try searching for it in conjunction with The Haunted Mansion or Phantom Manor, as it is the same font used on the plaque of these Disney attractions, and throughout. TR_Wolf

[edit] "Which Way is the Party" vs. "Dancing Through Life"

Several people have edited section 8.2 (Pre-Broadway Run/Musical Numbers) to change the song "Which Way is the Party" to "Dancing Through Life." I just want to make sure that everyone is aware that in the previews in San Francisco, Fiyero had a different song, called "Which Way is the Party." The song between Nessarose and Boq was called "We Deserve Each Other." The former was scrapped and replaced by "Dancing Through Life," but that wasn't until the show reached Broadway, so the previous version of the San Fracisco list is actually correct and does not need to be edited. Apster 21:18, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Room for a Trivia / Interesting Facts Section?

Is there a proper place in this article to put interesting trivia about Schwartz' composition of the show, such as that the "Unlimited" theme is the first seven notes of "Somewhere Over the Rainbow"? [[3]]

[edit] Removed Unreferenced flag

I removed what appeared to be an old unref tag on the article that said it doesn't cite its references or sources. The current version of the article has a bunch of reference links at the end, so clearly it does not completely lack verifiable references.

If there's still a specific statement within the article that requires further citation, then mark that part with the {{citation needed}} tag. But at this point there's no need for a general label saying the entire article is uncited. Dugwiki 21:23, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current Broadway Cast

There has recently been massive amounts of edit traffic in the cast sections. Much of it is anonymous or by users without edit history, and it is hard to tell what is legitimate and what is vandalism. My most recent revert (August 3 2006) is because the changes appeared to contradict the official page; if someone has better information, please include an appropriate citation when making changes. --ArthurDenture 04:01, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Last lines of the show

I removed the last lines of the show from the summary of Act II; they seemed irrelevant and they were needlessly bolded and italicized.

[edit] Casting rumors

There have been several edits lately involving the replacement information for different casts, with news on casting that has not been officially announced. A little bit of it is clearly vandalism but in most cases it turns out to be speculation (common among the Wicked fanbase) being misinterpreted as fact. While some of these rumors do in fact turn out to be true, I think it should be a guideline that until it's coming from a source that can be properly cited (as in something more than "I heard it from so-and-so"), it's still a rumor, and for the sake of the article's integrity, should not be added. On top of that, the article is becoming quite cluttered with excessive casting information, and to have the rumors on top of it would just make it a mess. JMHO. Alex 00:41, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Length - Remove casting information

This article is clearly too long. I don't think that we need all the casting information - it dosn't really contribute to the article and wikipedia is the not the place for it. If you really think we should keep the info, lets move it to more pages like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Flutefluteflute/Wicked_Production:_Broadway --Flutefluteflute 18:18, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I think this information is important, but I don't think it needs to stay all on one page. This is the page I check for casting updates on WICKED, so I would like to be able to find it on some Wikipedia page. What if we gave a page to each production and an "overall" page for the synopsis and song numbers and such? Yankee fan907 00:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)yankee_fan907

I agree that the information on this page is important, but it is WAY too long. I like the idea of splitting the article into subpages. Anyone feel up to the task? --Conor 20:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wicked (musical) cast lists. Otto4711 20:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fan Site

It's my understanding that we don't typically link to fan sites per the external links guidelines, and have reverted accordingly. If (a) that's incorrect or (b) the person who keeps adding one thinks there's a reason to make an exception in this case - this is the place to talk about it. --TheOtherBob 03:47, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

To the IP user who keeps adding the link to a fansite, and recently requested that whoever removed it place an explanation in the fansite's guestbook: sorry, but your fansite is not the place to discuss whether something belongs in Wikipedia. If you want further explanation beyond the above, post here. That's what this page is for. There are a lot of friendly people here, and we're glad to talk about it. --TheOtherBob 00:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi I'm the person who added the fansite. Sorry about all of this I don't know why it be deleted because it is relevent, provides information and... I don't think there is a good reason to delete it.

Have you read the links in my message in the section below? -- Mwanner | Talk 02:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another attempt to communicate with the fan-site adder

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links nor should it be used for promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, and links to web sites with which you are affiliated. See the external links guideline and spam policies for further explanations of links that are considered appropriate. In particular, see the section on conflicts_of_interest. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. See the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. Mwanner | Talk 23:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes I have and though I do own the site it says that it is not recommended. My site is relevent and useful so I can't see why it shouldn't be on here.
Well, but the point of the conflict of interest policy is that it's not up to the site's owner to decide whether it is relevant and useful-- site owners naturally tend to be biased. If your site is as wonderful as you believe it is, someone will get around to adding it. Meanwhile, why not work on improving the contents of the Wikipedia article? Cheers! -- Mwanner | Talk 13:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Well for anyone to add it they'd need to see it first...why don't you look and see if it is?

I have, and I don't see any reason to not follow Wikipedia's normal procedure here. I'm glad you're proud of your site - it's a nice site. But it's no different than any of the other fan sites that are routinely excluded. --TheOtherBob 00:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Well tell me why...it follows all the rules of the links I've checked.

Hmm. Well, how do you think it follows the rules of the links that Mwanner provided? It seems to me not to do so - it seems to violate WP:EL (because it's a fansite) and WP:COI (because the author of the website is the one trying to add it). Also, one quick thing - please "sign" your comments with four tildes: ~~~~ (It may also make sense to create a log-in name, so that we can tell who is talking.) Thanks. --TheOtherBob 03:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Well I don't see why it's not appropriate...it's true that those two rules are violated but it says that exeptions are made.~Webmiss @ Western Sky

Yes - but rarely, particularly when dealing with a conflict of interest like this. (You are, after all, the webmistress of the fansite you want to add. Please forgive me for saying so, but it seems to me that adding this would benefit your website far more than it would benefit Wikipedia.) You want us to take an extraordinary step here by ignoring two pretty important rules. You would need to identify a really good reason that we should do that; forgive me for saying so, but I don't think you've done so. --TheOtherBob 21:43, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Well why are you so intent on stopping me??

Stopping you from breaking the rules? See all of the above. See the external links policy, the conflict of interest policy, the policy saying that Wikipedia is not the place to promote your website, the policy saying that your fansite has to be notable, etc. (And your fansite is not notable - you said so yourself above). Look, you asked for an explanation for why we wouldn't let you add a spam link to your fansite. You got as complete of one as you could possibly want - far more than Wikipedians typically give this sort of thing. Unless you have some good reason why we should make an exception here, or unless anyone else disagrees, I think that's all I have to say on this. --TheOtherBob 00:46, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

When did I ever say my site isn't notable. And I'm going to find people ... 4174 have been to my site so I'm sure at least one thinks it deserves to be here...who think so too.

See Wikipedia:notability (web), which lays out notability guidelines for websites. A page visited only 4174 times is not even remotely notable (nor is a site that people will only be able to find if you link to it here, which is what you said above). Look, what you seem to be saying is that you're planning to recruit others from outside Wikipedia to come and add a spam link to your site. Please don't - it breaks this rule and is the sort of thing that could result in a block of your account. Please help us build the encyclopedia, but also please have the decency to respect Wikipedia and its rules. --TheOtherBob 20:40, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The London Production

In the London Production section...it states that only "Elphaba" and "The Wizard" had American accents, but I checked with videos and plus researched on Nigel Planner (the wizard) and he seems to actually have a British accent. Was this a mistake? Small5th 05:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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