User:Who/Discussion log/RW

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[edit] User and suspect IP's

[edit] Attempts to communicate via talk pages

[edit] Vandalism

[edit] Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 July 28

Changing or Removal of comments:

[edit] Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 July 4

Voting after discussion was closed by admin:

[edit] Category:Film by country

[edit] Category:Cinema by country

[edit] Wikipedia:Categories for deletion

Cfr on Cfd

[edit] WP:VP

[edit] Sockpuppetry

Noted the following comments and votes of 12.73.195.132, sockuppetry.

[edit] Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts

[edit] Cfd

[edit] Category:Movie websites

Same anon as below added the cfd notice but didn't list it here. Wants to rename it to Category:Film-related websites. --Kbdank71 18:43, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Movie theaters

Same anon as below added the cfd notice but didn't list it here. Wants to rename it to Category:Film theaters. --Kbdank71 18:43, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

  • As below, oppose. The main article is Movie theater, not Film theater. --Kbdank71 18:43, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
      • The Gang of Three show their colors. They don't care a fig about Wikipedia, just their status and control. What pigs! No wonder everyone thinks this project is a JOKE.

[edit] Category:Cinema pioneers → Category:Film pioneers

Same issue, replace "Cinema" with "Film" for terminological consistency. 12.73.195.155 02:22, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

  • Oppose. I find myself unable to support a user who has unilaterally wholesale reversed a previous CfD, is trying to force the issue (which is back under discussion below) with all of these nominations and has vandalized the CfD page. Considering that the issue has been returned to discussion below, I see no value in contemplating these CfRs until that one is complete. At that point they will either be no-brainer keep or renames as appropriate. -Splash 02:58, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose agree with [[User:Splash|Splash]. Also this user removed the {{Cfd}} from Category:Film by country, and attemped to get Category:Cinema by country speedied. I would not mind this Cfr in general, if there wan't such a strong oppostion and support (no consensus) for the original Cfr. This naming needs to be decided as a whole. Who?¿? 08:29, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose as per Splash and Who. --Kbdank71 14:20, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Movie soundtracks → Category:Film soundtrack albums

Same issue, replace "Movie" with "Film" for terminological consistency, plus add "albums" to clarify that this Cat actually deals with music track recordings and not other aspects of complete soundtrack. 12.73.195.155 02:22, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

  • See above. Although there is some discussion to be had about the word "albums". -Splash 02:58, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Same as above, also agree about "albums" discussion. Who?¿? 08:29, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Same as above. --Kbdank71 14:21, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Movie genres → Category:Film genres

Rename for consistent header terminology. "Movie" is slang, juvenile, in addition. Primary category is Category:Film and subcategory's contents reflect change to Film. Ergo... 12.73.195.155 02:22, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

  • See above. -Splash 02:58, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Same as above. Who?¿? 08:29, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Same as above. --Kbdank71 14:21, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cfd 25 July

[edit] Category:Film by country

Empty category, just got recreated and populated. Although it was kept There was no consensus to rename in this Cfr, it seems it got deleted at a later time and depopulated. Now that its unused, see no point in keeping, as Category:Film by country exists. Category:Cinema by country should have been kept. Revert changes Who?¿? 12:23, 25 July 2005 (UTC) addendum Who?¿? 22:16, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

  • If there was no consensus to delete it then it should be kept and the content reinstated. Especially as the title doesn't match the content anymore. There's no point in listing categories for deletion and us debating it if someone is then just going to ignore the consensus and delete it anyway. If we let people do that it makes a mockery of this whole process. JW 12:50, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
    • I agree, but just in case there was another Cfd that I missed, I figured it's better to bring it back to Cfd then to let it remain empty and unused. Actually I should have looked at the contents of Film by country, as you are right they are all "Cinema". I did a quick check to see if it was there, only because I semi-remembered a Cfd. I do not want to be the one to do the revert though, as an admin had to delete it. Either it gets reverted, or we list them again together. Who?¿? 13:09, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Revert changes. Looks like the unauthorized changes were made by the same anon who was upset about the first cfd. --Kbdank71 15:12, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Revert changes and warn the user that made them. -Splash 16:17, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
    • Yep 12.73.195.106. Should we just close this discussion then? Who?¿? 21:41, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
      • Warn him? Against what? Anyone can edit, remember. Your frustrated biases showing... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.73.196.131 (talk • contribs) 22:34, 26 July 2005 UTC (UTC) Who?¿? 02:58, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
        • WP:Civil Against going against the consensus and creating the category that was decided NOT to be created and preceding to populate it. Who?¿? 02:58, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep as Category:Film by country and rename subcategories, articles for terminological consistency = film. Prior discussion of keeping this misnomered as Category:Cinema by country was closed early in mid-discussion before concensus achieved, by "Cinema-POV" admin. See definitions of Film, Cinema for further justification for current name. 12.73.196.131 22:00, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment Was opened, by me, on 5 July 2005 06:25 (UTC), and closed 13:43, 12 July 2005 (UTC). So that looks like it went 7hours and 18mins over the time, definately not closed too soon. Result, No consensus. Who?¿? 22:11, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
      • And this discussion was opened on 25 July, so don't talk about "just closing" it today, then. Also note, the new category was created and filled on 22 July, and nobody's complained for 3 days, and the only ones complaining now are you, kdbank71, and Splash - after the emptied, misnomered category was noted in passing sitting in the to-delete storage category, where it was placed administratively. You admins are not only arguing against good encyclopedic standards (in use of common terminology) but also the process of making and unmaking categories at Wikipedia. You should resign... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.73.196.131 (talk • contribs) 22:38, 26 July 2005 UTC.
  • Yes, sometimes things don't get noticed right away, there is no magic ball. Discussion didn't have to be started, it could have been speedied based on prior discussion, hence this one could be closed. Who?¿? 22:49, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
        • So, once something's been "discussed" once (even if the discussion has been cut off in mid-interchange, and only a half dozen users were involved), it can never be revived for discussion? Or are you just playing "Queen of Hearts" to this category-maker's "Alice" because you don't like the change he made & the fact that it went over fine with the silent majority?
  • Comment Let's assume good faith by all concerned. Yes, the rules were followed and there was no consensus, so technically things should have been kept. But since there was not consensus, this seems like a good opportunity to keep the discussion going and perhaps come up with a solution that WILL reach a consensus. The current Category:Film by country could be a workable name for this category. One problem is that it is very close to Category:Films by country so the meaning of it might be confused. A bigger problem is what to name the subcategories. So I'll hold off on voting with the hope that constructive discussion can continue, and perhaps come up with a set of category names that can be acceptable to all. In the previous discussion, I suggested Category:Filmmaking by country. There were objections to this, but perhaps there is some other terminology using "film" that would better convey what is meant by the category. If not, we can stick with "cinema". --Samuel Wantman 07:45, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment I would always agree to a re-nom of a category, based on "good faith" the problem here is, this particular anom ignored the consensus, created the category and populated it. I brought the wrong cat back to Cfd, based on good faith, to reach a consensus. When I realized I brought the wrong cat back, the nom was changed for me. Either way, this cat should have NOT been created, and on "good faith" it was kept as a Cfd rather than a speedy. Even after explaining this, the anon decided to vandalise this page. I am all for the Cfd discussion. Who?¿? 02:53, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cfd 5 July

[edit] Category:Cinema by country → Category:Film by country

[edit] Samuel Wantman's discussion log