User talk:Whjayg

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If you have any questions or want to have discussions, please leave your message here or e-mail me at whjayg@msn.com. Cheers!

Whjayg 10:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar Award

For your interest and contributions to Il Divo related articles I hereby present you the Il Divo Star Award.Rosa 21:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your work in translating the Il Divo articles into Malay, you really deserve this award :) btw, are you going to the concert in Kuala Lumpur next Tuesday? Rosa 21:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the star. I am currently doing the Il Divo's members page including adding the photos in there - so then people can tell who is who :) I will add the photos in the english members page as well. About the 16 January concert,.. ohh yea.. I will be in the front seat, wish if I could bring a camera but I was told that we cant! Looking forward to see them live Jay 02:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Image:220px-CarlosS.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:220px-CarlosS.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

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I have edited it and also put some comments. The photos are from random users/post in Il Divo's Forum - Jay 02:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More replaceable fair-use images

• Image:220px-DavidS.jpg
• Image:220px-SebastienS.jpg
• Image:220px-UrsS.jpg

—Chowbok ☠ 01:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I have edited it and also put some comments. The photos are from random users/post in Il Divo's Forum - Jay 02:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't address the issue, which is whether these images are replaceable by free ones or not. —Chowbok ☠ 02:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

The photos have been posted in Il Divo's forum board and few sites on the internet, therefore they are public photos. I dont know the definition of free because as far as they are not patented by an organization or individual, it is consider public. I am not a professional celebrity photographer as well as many people in here, so we can take singers individual photos ourselves, if that is what you considered as free. May I know, is it against the law in Wikipedia to post public photos (photos that are freely available on several sites/boards on the internet) where I have not seen any party claiming that they are the rightful owners and nobody can use them? Anyway, if I could get other photos, yes I will be happy to replace them - Jay 02:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Even though they've been copied on several websites, they are still copyrighted to somebody. We can't use such photos except under very limited circumstances, and definitely not in this case. —Chowbok ☠ 03:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Chowbok, sorry my bad, I didnt check. Those photos were published in Il Divo's official sites forum because they are photos in the Cover Album of The Christmas Collection release 2005(I have the CD with me now and the photos are in page 2,4,5 and 7. And I believe it justifies as "Replaceable fair use disputed". I noticed that photos from album covers are acceptable in Wikipedia because they are irreplaceable. I will edit the comment in the photo pages. - Jay 04:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

By all means dispute them, but please don't remove the "replaceable fair use" tag. An admin still needs to decide if they're replaceable or not, and that tag is how the admins know to look at it. —Chowbok ☠ 05:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok and sorry for that. - Jay 05:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ¡Hola!

How are you Jay...so, how was the concert? Did you have a good time? (how couldn't you ;) How were the voices, the music, did you like the repertoire, could you take any pics, anything out of the ordinary? and most importantly...what did you think of Seb's voice? C'mon, give me something to chew on :) Rosa 22:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The reply is in your discussion page - Jay 10:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow, what a great report. ¡Gracias! I respect your opinion about Seb's voice even if I don't agree with it; I laughed so much with your comments about him lol. About David, I totally agree! You can't really know how David's voice is in the cds. His voice is SO powerful! (I still prefer Pav much more though). Could you believe David was booed at La Scala once while performing Verdi? I still can't get my head over that one...

I'm so glad you liked the concert (I knew you would ;). Plus, you were so close to the stage WOW!

About the screaming fans, I couldn't agree more. Screaming while they're singing is so disrespectful. You were lucky though, at least it's young girls who scream for them in Asia. In the US the screaming ladies are all in their fifties and sixties and they scream to them while their husbands are sitting besides them! That's SO pathetic! lol Rosa 22:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:CarlosS.jpg

Thank you for uploading Image:CarlosS.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Oden 13:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Oden, I dont know how the page is still exist. It has been replaced with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:220px-CarlosS.jpg with justifications of the source. You can remove the entire page as it is no longer linked with the site. I dont know how to remove it. - Jay 15:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Photos in IL Divo's member pages

Sorry but, as explained within the deletions, WP:FUC does not, under any circumstances, allow fair-use images to be used solely to identify a living, public person. Fair use can only be justified when an image is used to illustrate text accompanying the image, such as a singer performing a song discussed within that section of text. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 05:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair use means we have to be able to claim that we can use copyrighted material; photographs from the CD are copyrighted (as in, they are owned by the record label) and cannot be used merely to identify the subject. Wikipedia administrators and other editors are working on the massive job of removing images for which we cannot claim fair use and for which the encyclopedia could conceivably face legal action; this is not an excuse to add more violations. Again, I must ask that you read WP:FUC, the policy that governs what is acceptable fair use within Wikipedia. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 05:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Album covers

Under the terms of "fair use" album covers may not be used to illustrate any article except for an article about the album itself. Only under this condition would such an image be considered irreplaceable. Rklawton 05:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Good, you said it yourself. Those photos are from the CD cover of THE CHRISTMAS COLLECTION at page 2,3,4 and 5 and I have justified it at each photo pages. And that is my point on why they have to be removed. Jay 05:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you could note on each image description page that the image is of the CD/album cover and that it is only being used to illustrate the album (or sections about the album). That should suffice. I checked out four or five Il Divo-related images as well as how they are used, and they all look fine to me with one exception. I removed an image from the Il Divo article's main section because it was an album cover used to illustrate the group - and that's not permitted. Many other images of the group already exist, so the copyrighted album cover isn't necessary. But that's a different matter entirely. The album covers farther down in the article are fine because they illustrate sections dedicated specifically to that album. Likewise, the articles about these albums also use these images correctly. I think. If any of these images are not from the actual cover itself, then they wouldn't be considered fair use. For example, if an image comes from published material within an album, then it wouldn't qualify as fair use, and we'd have to delete it immediately. With regard to the images I examined, I did not check to see if they were actual album covers or something else. As noted above, if you can confirm that these images come from the CD/album cover, then just note it on each images page. Rklawton 05:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

To elaborate: album covers can not be used to illustrate a band member's article because a suitable replacement could be found. Just tap the band member on the shoulder and shoot him, er, photograph him. However, this option just isn't available for articles about the album itself. That's why we can use these images to illustrate an album article (or album section) but nothing else. There is no suitable replacement for an album cover on an article about the album. I hope this helps make things clear. It's pretty logical once you get the hang of it. WP:FUC contains the natty details, but I'm hoping my explanation helps make it clear with regard to this particular application. Incidentally, I really like your work on these articles. Cheers, Rklawton 05:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok now, I am totally lost. Robert, the whole article was written by somebody else and the album cover in the main article has been there for almost 2 years. The main page photo is the article for the whole group, name IL DIVO. Almost all singer’s articles in Wikipedia are using album covers and if it is not allowed, please make it fair to all of us, remove ALL in Wikipedia, not only Il Divo! My argument was referring to the members pages (4 members – Carlos, Sebastian, Urs and David) when the photos were removed even I have noted that they were scanned from the album cover. After I asked for your justification for the photos in the members page, you made it worst by removing the album cover in the main page that has been there for almost 2 years? Are you telling me that Wikipedia does not allow photos from the album cover? Please answer this, if your answer is “Yes, Wikipedia does not allow photo from album cover”, please go to other singers articles and do the same like what you did in Il Divo’s article. - Jay 06:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

You are correct. Album covers can only illustrate album articles. Members articles may not include album covers. Yes, we are working hard to remove all album covers from member's articles and not just those on the Il Divo article. If you see any such misuse, you can help correct it, but be certain to leave an edit summary explaining your actions. A reference to WP:FUC is also helpful. Rklawton 12:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "chicks like guys who look like chicks"...well, not exactly...

Hola Jay, you left this message at my talk a few days ago...sorry to get back to you so late, I haven't been to Wikipedia much.

Rosa, if you could tell me.. why Il Divo’s fans (the girls including you) love Sebastian more than others? Look at the poll in Il Divo’s forum, Seb is the favorite among all. What do you ladies see in him? Please, I’m begging u to fill me in.

Okay, let's get this clear...I DO NOT love Seb more than the others! In ID forum lingo, I'm a scud with cutie tendencies. In English, that means I like them all equally but specially Carlos...(I have a thing for the flirtatious good-humored latin men lol). I'm not pure cutie because I think they're all interesting. Urs for example is simply the most handsome man I've seen in my life...he's just perfect, a role-model for all guys. Urs can be a bit boring though, he just doesn't have the "spice" and sometimes is too serious; I think he could just make a joke of some questions they're asked and move on, but no, Urs prefers to take every question seriously. David's voice is the one I prefer the most of all of the four and he's the smartest of them (trust me in this one); he has to work on his public relations though, he comes off as being many times too "hands off" with fans. And exactly there is where Seb's a genius. He is SO charismatic! He's the one who answers most letters, isn't afraid of telling his fans he loves us, even once (at the Budapest concert) he jumped a tall gate just to sign autographs for his fans who were at the other side of the fence. Not just that, he ALWAYS smiles and I believe he sincerely adores children, never denying a hug and kiss to his little sirens and giving part of his income (even before ID) to AMTM, an Asian charity. Moreover, Seb is, right after Urs, the most handsome of them, not like Urs, all muscle and poise, but in a homely, sweet way. He's got HUGE aquamarine eyes and soft features, which reminds women of children's features. You just want to hug him and care for him. His child-like looks make him look younger than he actually is (David is the youngest of them in fact) so teenage girls find him more appealing, he seems to be age-appropriate while the other ones look a bit too old ...and it's here where you got your answer...although in the western hemisphere Il Divo is most popular among matrons, in Asia it's mostly teenage girls who are fans of them. All those girls (esp. chinese, there are tons of them) just LOVE Sébastien and are the ones tipping the scales in his favor at the polls.

I think I just answered what you were asking me but I'd like to make another comment...about the voices. Jay, I assure you, when I went to their concert I was awe stricken by Urs (I just couldn't take my eyes off him and wasn't even looking at the other three), but that doesn't mean I was dumb enough to mistake physical beauty with singing capabilities. It was clear to me that he had the worst voice of the four of them; it was weak (relatively speaking of course) and not as crystal clear as I admired in the cds. The voice I liked best was David's but afterwards came immediately Sébastien's voice. In fact, I thought he as a man wasn't attractive at all; I thought he was way too artificially tanned and needed to do more excercise. I sense you're thinking that I speak wonders of his voice because I like him physically and that's simply not the case. I did like his voice, A LOT, it was strong and clear and he reached high notes easily (not so easily as David though) and even when he was just giving it all, his voice didn't loose that sweet and tender quality, it never sounded squeaky nor did it "wavered" (which happens a lot to Urs) and I thought it was VERY pleasant to listen to.

wow...that was a long explanation...I hope it answered your question satisfactorily ;) Rosa 05:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Seb.JPG

Is this from a video you shot yourself, or is this from a copyrighted video? Rklawton 04:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

my own video taken from the concert on 18 Jan in Singapore using my Sony cybershot by my aunt. And later on, I snapshot the video to photo using Microsoft Movie Maker in my PC. FYI, I am mixed Singaporean/Malaysian living in Kuala Lumpur. You would not find the photo or video anywhere unless for those who went to the concert and sat in the 1st and 2nd row (right) during the concert - Jay 04:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Great shot! Rklawton 04:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Woohoo!

Thank you for adding the concert pics to the articles Jay. At last we have decent, trouble-free pics of them. :)Rosa 05:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Erm, possible copyvio.

I've concerned with the article Khairuddin Mohamed Yusof you created. Almost all of its content appears to be taken from this PDF document. I have tagged it as a copyright violation. You are a fairly busy editor, so I'm pretty sure you know the procedure. Thanks. Logical2u_{Review me!} 13:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Logical2u, Professor Khairuddin is someone I very much personally knows including his home address, family vice versa. I know his background more than what is written in his shareholding company.I have no idea about the published article, and how identical it is to the one that I have (I got the detail from his possession; probably he wrote that for the company). After reading about the university in wikipedia, I thought it would be good to add his profile and a bit background about him using his profile that I have.Now that I know it was published, I will do changes on his profile as soon as I could. I am against plagiarism / copyrights and I know it is not right – One of the lessons I learn from him personally. Thanks for the message. - Jay 17:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan! Thanks for the reply! Logical2u_{Review me!} 17:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] David's page

Hola Jay. Just reverted your edit to David'spage. www.divodavid.com isn't a fansite but David's new page; it's integrated to Il Divo's website. He's personally answering questions submitted by the fans at "Questions and messages for David" at the Quiestion Time section of the forum. You should really see it, there's some seriously hilarious stuff there, even a close-up of the divos' mouths...creepy! They were removed but I think you may catch them at www.divodavid.com/pictures ...Seb has the best teeth, by far...LOL...Adiós, Rosa 05:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Uhm ok then, I thought it was a fan site. You were saying that David answered the questions personally? Kewl.. I have list down some opera arias and for him to sing

1. Puccini: Nessun Dorma
2. Verdi: La donna è mobile
3. Handel :Svegliatevi nel core
4. Verdi: Libiamo ne' lieti calici (Duet with ... Celine Dion? haha)
5. La Capua: O sole Mio
6. Verdi: De' Miei Bollenti Spiriti

• Granada (This one for Carlos, he is a spanish!)

Let see what he has to say, huh :)) - Jay 05:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)