Talk:Western Thrace

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Why the Turkish minority in Western Thrace is called "Muslim Minority" in the article? It seems only Greeks want to call those people "Muslim", while the concerned people call themselves "Turkish".

I think the article should be corrected.

--Gokhan 07:49, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Because not all Muslims identify as Turks.--Theathenae 07:59, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
So the ones identifying themselves as Turks are free to live their own identity, found their own NGO's and fully participate to Greek society (businesswise, educationwise and socially?) --Gokhan 22:26, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Freer than the Greeks living in Turkey, that's for sure.--Theathenae 04:39, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Wanna learn more about the Muslims of Thrace? Get a load of these:

After this appalling record of Greece, I feel so happy that I am in the United Kingdom where human rights are observed, unlike remote parts of Europe (ie Greece) where the concept of human rights has not yet sunk in! As I have already said: I would rather spend the rest of my life on top of a ladder in no man's land in Iraq with a an American flag wrapped around my shoulders smoking Cuban cigars through a luminous balaclava than live in Greece, where Human Rights are violated on a regular basis. They should have a sign at the border crossings to Greece saying (from Dante's famous work "The Divine Comedy"): All ye who enter here, abandon hope! REX 09:30, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I think that you should know that User:Theathenae seems to have double standards. He denies the Macedonians and the Arvanites of North-West Greece the right to call themselves whatever they please, but I seems to display such sensitivity when it comes to what to call the Arvanites of Attica. I wouldnt take him to seriously Gokhan, he is one of these far-right Greek extremists who would rather see all Greece's minorities sent to Auschwitz than admit that Greece is now a multicultural society. REX 09:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Requesting neutral POV

  • This article has been continuously vandalised by user VMORO for the past few months. He has kept adding links to a Bulgarian POV site which contains "historical" information written by a certain Gregson H. in the early 20th century. Gregson H. does not seem to exist and until VMORO shows evidence as to who this man was I will keep reverting this article to its previous state which contains information that can easily be verified by neutral sources. VMORO not only keeps adding the following paragraph "A 1920 population census carried out by the Allies indicated that the Bulgarians in the region numbered 81,000, the Turks 73,000 and the Greeks 52,000 [1]. Despite the preponderance of Bulgarians and the region's key significance for the economy of Bulgaria as its only outlet to the Aegean Sea, Western Thrace was given to Greece as war compensation under the terms of the 1919 Treaty of Neuilly following World War I. ,but he also keeps deleting true information concerning the fact that Bulgaria was on the losing side in World War I and therefore had to pay some price (as happens to the losing side at the end of every war). The census mentioned in the above paragraph is reported by "Gregson H." and therefore can not be considered true until verified. In any case, the fact that Ethnic Bulgarians inhabited Western Thrace is included in the text. Additionally, the sentence "despite the preponderance of Bulgarians and the region's key significance for the economy of Bulgaria as its only outlet to the Aegean Sea" is irrelevant. Based on the same logic East Rumelia and Eastern Bulgaria should have been given to Greece because having access to the Black Sea would have helped its economic development. This logic is flawed and dangerously nationalistic. I believe that this situation of me reverting VMORO's text and he reverting my text will continue and therefore I request this article be reviewed by a neutral party which will resolve the issue. Kalambaki2 15:51, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
I demand an explanation as to why you KEEP deleting sourced information about a census which was held not by anyone else but by the ALLIES. If, the sourced information gets deleted again, I'll search assistance from the administrator board. VMORO 21:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

By all means, do. Kalambaki2 15:45, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

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Anyone care to fill in the history of Trace before the Ottoman Empire's overtaking? This area has been part of Greek city-states for centuries. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4donis (talk • contribs) 06:56, 1 November 2006.


'Komotiní is the largest city, with a population of 63,774 (2001 census).' according to the article Komotini, the city has 50 something in population, i dont know if you were thinking of Kavala, which has approx. 63000. Ill change it for now because 2 facts are wrong according to the Wikipedia articles. Im too lazy to look it up myself, but im trusting that the people who wrote those articles were competent enough to get reliable up to date data. -anon

No. Kavala is in Macedonia, not Thrace. ·ΚέκρωΨ· 10:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Right. I suppose that some users confuse the geographic definition of East Macedonia and Thrace with Western Thrace. To keep it simple, East Macedonia and Thrace is a periphery of Greece, a territorial unit for the statistics of the EU, whereas Western Thrace is a historical region and East Macedonia is part of another one, the historical region of Macedonia. Hectorian 18:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Moreover, a very long time ago eastern Macedonia was part of ancient Thrace before being conquered by Macedon. By the same token, Thessaloniki itself was not part of the very first Macedonian state which according to Herodotus had its beginnings ἐν Πίνδῳ. ·ΚέκρωΨ· 13:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
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