Talk:West Slavs
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[edit] VANDALISM of putting Czechs' ethnicity as ethnic Lechs
West Slavic peoples are not equal with West Slavic languages because all Slavic peoples used more or less the same Slavic language 1000 years ago and were already partitioned into these western, southern and eastern groups. We Slavic peoples call these ethnical partitions amongst us Slavic peoples for "Lechs" (ethnic Western Slavic peoples), "Czechs" (ethnic Southern Slavic peoples) and "Rusins" (ethnic Eastern Slavic peoples) for a good reason. Common sense tells one that if even Czechs were direct speakers of modern Polish language, then they still would be belonging to the Southern Slavic peoples by their ethnicity. Pan Piotr Glownia 21:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
The Bavarian Geographer describes a multitude of people at that time.
The Bavarian Geographer wrote the Descriptio civitatum et regionum ad septentrionalem plagam Danubii that means 'description of castles (fortified settlements) and territories (countries) north of the Danube river. In it he describes a large number of people not only north of the Danube rive, but at the Elbe to the Wolga river, between the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea to Caspian Sea and Caucasus mountain , from Khasaria to Finland.
Did Bavarian Geographer actually make a list, West Slavs, as Wikipedia implies?. How reliable is Wikipedia? Read Disclaimers.
- The main issue here is not the reliability of the wikipedia. The main issue here from my point of view is the reliability of the people making it, writting it and correcting it. Some people are honest, honorfull and straightforward in the very brave fashion. Others are your usual commoners, who usualy choose to coward and to lie instead of displaying the typical characteristics of the typical European chivalry. If this monk was of a noble birth, then sure i would believe every single word on his honor of the honorfull nobleman, unless someone would prove he was outright lying or was a commoner. Now certainly most commoners are certainly people without honor to this very day and therefore as these honorless people are comming from many generations of honorless peoples, so they have no typical moral breaks stoping their lies and other dishonorable behavior. Therefore none can trust a typical commoner without a proof. Certainly nationalists never were, are or ever will be any kind of nobility (any way not in Europe) and they did and do still rewrite history to their own political needs. My problem is that no matter their efforts they will never make ethnic Southern Slavic "Czechs" into ethnic Western Slavic "Lechs". Furthermore there are entire separate pages dedicated to Slavic languages and nobody claimed that a language is the only attribute in deciding ethnicity. These people here do claim that only language is this attribute. I say they lie. I disagree with them and majority of Slavic peoples in Europe do disagree with them too. Pan Piotr Glownia 13:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Lechs, Czechs and Rusins <- the missing major ethnic information about Slavic peoples
Ethnic West Slavic peoples are not equal with West Slavs as it seems and Ethnic Southern Slavic peoples are not equal with South Slavs. Slavic languages 1000 years ago were still quite similiar to eachother and not like it is today. However even from earlier times Slavic peoples had these ethnic partitions amongst Slavic peoples. "Lechs" stand for Ethnic Western Slavic peoples, "Czechs" stand for Ethnic Southern Slavic peoples and "Rusins" stand for Ethnic Eastern Slavic peoples. This is major partition amongst Slavic peoples and it is not based on language, but on ethnicity. Even if Czechs were direct speakers of modern Polish language, then they still would be belonging to the Ethnic Southern Slavic peoples by their ethnicity. Czechs during entire written history never were ethnic Lechs like Poles. Every historical source is certain on this issue. It is possible that this ethnic partition is even older then any possible differentiation of Proto-Slavic language. I direct you to "Lech, Czech and Rus", which is part of Slavic spoken history as well as historical and traditional ethnic partition on Lechs, Czechs and Rusins used amongst Slavic people by the Slavic peoples. Every dictionary and lecture commenting this ethnic partition will ensure that Czechs were always adressed as "Czechs" and not like Poles "Lechs". Czechs and Poles do belong to different ethnic groups otherwise one had to put Czechs and Poles together with Belarusians and Ukrainians into the same Western Slavic ethnicity, as the Lechs, the Czechs and the Rusins originate from the same ethnic origin, which probably used the same proto-Slavic language. All historical sources begining from XIII century ("Chronicle of Greater Poland" written in year 1295) prove it to be the general ethnic partition used by Slavic peoples in Europe. Pan Piotr Glownia 15:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pannonian Rusyns
Please put them somewhere. --Pockey 19:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
