Talk:Weather control
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[edit] Earthquakes
what about control of other natural disasters? i can't think how to work that into either this or its own article, but i'm very interested in stuff like venting geothermal pressure to avoid tectonic stress and earthquakes.. and stuff.
- Plate tectonics isn't meteorology. Sign your posts. Purplefeltangel 19:32, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Elate Intelligence Technologies
Does anyone have anymore information regarding this Russian company. I'm not sure if they even exist. If i get some spare time i'll look into it but here is some info to get started:
The breakup of the Soviet Union in the 1990s ushered in brave new opportunities in weather modification. The New York Times reported on September 24, 1992, that a Russian company was openly selling electronic equipment to manipulate the weather in a specific area. The Times noted that certain Russian farmers used the weather-control technology to alter the climate for better crop yields.
A little over a month later, the Wall Street Journal reported that Russian company Elate Intelligence Technologies Inc. was selling weather-control equipment using the slogan “Weather made to order.” The Journal quoted Igor Pirogoff as saying that Hurricane Andrew, which did an estimated $17 billion in damage, could have been turned “into a wimpy little squall” by his company. [1]
There's also some related info to Nikola Tesla's work on weather control and various others here [2]
Something worth noting here is the United States' official stance on the matter with a bill titled Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005 which can be found here [3]
It's tough to tackle this subject without bordering on conspiracy theories. I'll gather what info i can.
--Fec 06:41:18, 2005-09-09 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup
First, does anybody know where the sources for this article could be found? Second, would it be possible to clean up this article by simply removing large sections which are apparently unsubstantiated nonsense (the bit about theories for the future, for instance)? Sophy's Duckling 20:01, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Regarding history, could the Roman/Greek animal sacrifices to their gods be included as some Classical rituals aimed at weather control? Perhaps include a bit about how ancient civilizations would often pray to/have faith in their deities to alter the weather to make it more desirable? I am also unsure about the "Modern Aspirations"; what do any of those things have to do with modern-day strong desires for weather control? And actually, on second thought, maybe it could be transformed into a "Practical Applications" topic. Anagram 21:34, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Nuclear weapons effect on weather?
- Stupid question alert*
Anyone know what launching a large nuclear weapon at a tornado/hurricane/storm would do? Besides causing more damage to the ground than the storms themselves I mean. What would they do to the tornado/hurricane/storm?
- I don't think they'd really do much of anything to a hurricane. It might do something to a tornado, but tornados don't last too terribly long, so it would be really really pointless to shoot a missile at one. Sophy's Duckling 04:17, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
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- Maxim magazine (questionable authenticity) recently fielded this question in their "Ask Us Anything" section -- The answer was "No"; nearly a half-ton of air would have to be added to every square meter of space in a Cat. 5 hurricane's eye to reduce it to Cat. 2. The numbers add up to about a half-billion tons of air required in total. Anagram 20:51, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] what the heck is HIPAS
??? Revelations 06:11, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm not sure. Anybody else? Bug Eyed Monster 21:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Storms
This article only discusses methods for decreasing certain weather conditions. Don't people try to increase a storm's violence or increase cloud cover or that sort of thing? Scorpionman 02:25, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
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- People generally only want to produce positive conditions; I suppose that a thunderstorm would be a useful thing during a drought or allergy season, but mostly people would try to reduce the damage as much as possible. Conspiracy theories suggest that organizations like HAARP would try to produce hurricanes and thunderstorms, but I really find this kind of ridiculous since there's no proof. Bug Eyed Monster 21:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Russia makes no secret that they 'control weather'
Today in Russia is Victory Day. Today, and every year, a division of the Russian Army do something to ensure that there will be no clouds during the parade. This is widely reported in the media and is accepted as fact. I've heard several people tell me about this before.
I find it interesting and curious that Russia makes no secret of how they control the weather for events such as these, whereas in the US, whenever people claim that the US government is controlling the weather, the powers that be (or their spokespersons) denounce it as nothing more than nonsense.
Does anyone have anything to add on this? I'm really curious about this discrepancy.
81.200.13.1 09:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)David Nitzsche-Bell
- Similar Russian practices are indeed documented with references at Cloud seeding, at a recent G8 summit. That particular attempt to prevent rain failed. It's scientifically dubious that such efforts are generally effective, though it may be factually accurate that the government does attempt to do so, and report to the public that it is successful. That the government does this is somewhat disturbing, but then again the Russian government does a lot of disturbing things. That some people believe that it is effective despite the lack of scientific evidence is mostly a sad commentary on public gullibility and lack of adequate science education. The American public is not much better at discerning fact from wishful thinking, but when the U.S. government promotes bogus scientific ideas, it seems to get browbeaten a bit more. I'm not sure if that's due to a more active scientific establishment, a more active media, less tolerance for disinformation, a stronger democratic tradition, cultural differences, or what. -- Beland 18:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Meteorology relation
I'm not sure if this is entirely a meteorology-related article, but I'm tagging it as such for now as the article seems to focus on this and the page of Weather Modification redirects here (even though Weather modification redirects to cloud seeding). If anyone wants to dispute it, I'd be more than happy (and able) to give weather modification its own article. I'll probably do it anyway in a few weeks if no one says otherwise. WindRunner 02:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Weather Control and Hurricane Katrina
I removed this section which reports undocumented and dubious theories as fact. One of those is a theory that the Dust Bowl is the result of a weather control weapon. The article Dust Bowl explains the causes more accurately, which interestingly does include human activity - farming. -- Beland 18:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- The editor who added that section has been previously blocked for vandalism, and I have reported him/her again, for adding nonsense to other articles as well as pure out-and-out vandalism to user pages. Removing the unsourced, dubious section was exactly the right thing to do. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
