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[edit] Hello Wikipedia!

I have been away from home -- and from Wikipedia -- for most of the last several months. I will be checking into Wikipedia, probably at widely spaced intervals, but will be unlikely to do any major editing. Please leave a message if I can be of help during brief visits here.

I logged into the system on 17 February 2005, having worked as an "anonymous" for the previous six weeks or so. During that time, I often signed notes and edits with "-W." I made my 5,000th edit on August 28th, 2005. Although the edit counter is suddenly neurotic, I believe I passed the 10,000 mark in July 2006. Comments on edits are welcome on the discussion page. Please note the archives listed below. And, please sign your posts. Thank you. WBardwin

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[edit] Welcome to the Wikipedia

Here are some links I thought useful:

Feel free to contact me personally with any questions you might have. Wikipedia:About, Wikipedia:Help desk, and Wikipedia:Village pump are also a place to go for answers to general questions. To read up on the latest wikinews, have a look at the Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost.

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[edit] Template cocked and loaded for the next autoblock

Please do not remove this template when deactivating it. I have to go copy it from history, as I don't think like a programmer. Thank you. WBardwin 16:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] The Pottery article

Hi WB, you went north and I went south, welcome back. Some time ago I was threatening to give the pottery article a working-over and I've now started to do this. I'd be very grateful if you'd keep an eye on what I'm up to, because, as you know, I'm not a potter. Regards, Nick. Nick 10:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello WB, this is just to let you know that dispute about pottery figurines has started up again. I've called for mediation and Sean Brunnock has agreed to this. The discussions seem to be taking place on Sean's talk page and are (at this stage at least) being conducted in a civilised way. For the call for mediation, see Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2007-01-16_Difference_of_opinion_about_pottery. and for the discussions themselves see Sean's talk page User_talk:Brunnock. Regards, Nick. Nick 19:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Helping out with the Unassessed Wikipedia Biographies

Seeing that you are an active member of the WikiBiography Project, I was wondering if you would help lend a hand in helping us clear out the amount of [unassessed articles] tagged with {{WPBiography}}. Many of them are of stub and start class, but a few are of B or A caliber. Getting a simple assessment rating can help us start moving many of these biographies to a higher quality article. Thank you! --Ozgod 23:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Biography March 2007 Newsletter

The March 2007 issue of the Biography WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Mocko13 22:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for upgrading the Archibald Gardner western pioneer biography. I see that several paradgraphs have been moved around, and a couple of sentences have been added. Others that have been assisting, mostly off-line, will be contacted concerning your changes. At present I see that most of the changes were needed.

Concerning copyright issues, I wrote virtually every word myself, linked to my great grandfather's journal, and related family records. I have been contributing to Wikipedia in other areas, and I am keenly aware of the line between solid references and 'stealing' another's words. Thank you for the reminder. Best Regards, Milogardner

[edit] Greetings to you too

I didn't reply, did I.. ? :-( Sorry. But I was delighted to hear from you! Bishonen | talk 21:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

So was I! Frutti di Mare 21:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
Bishzilla give mighty roar of pleasure at return of little W! Bishzilla ROARR!! zilla4admin 21:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Archibald Gardner

Could you please review the changes I've made to this article? Here's the dif from your last edit, and a permalink to my last edit in case it gets reverted. Unfortunately Milogardner (talk • contribs) has taken what I perceive as a WP:OWN position on this article in regards some of the edits I've previously made, and I feel that the user has been unduly confrontational with me, so I do not want to deal directly with that user. Instead I have tried to respond to comments left by Milogardner here (regarding the {essay-entry}} tag I added to that article) by reworking the article, removing unencyclopedic material & tightening it up to better meet WP:BIO. Please let me know what you think, as I would appreciate a second opinion by you. -- 63.224.137.164 16:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll keep my eye on it.....new editors get very attached to articles, and I think this is a family project with more than one person contributing info. I know a little about this pioneer, and can probably bring the article along to basic Wiki standards. I think I sense a familiar pattern to your edits -- glad to see you back. WBardwin 22:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The topic is now under control. The anonymous user 63.224.137.164 has been overly defensive for reasons that are not clear. His/her hit and run tactics have now stopped, so all is well. Milogardner

Thank you for your comments. My aunt Zella left Spanish Fork in 1906, for Orange County, California, after the second manifesto. Archibald's son, Cy, my grandfather Rea, my father, left Spanish Fork in the early 1920's tO clear land for growing Orange tress, as Robert, William and Archibald had cleared land by hand for farming 100 years earlier.

Your group's anonymous editor is too sensitive. Thin skinned Wikipedia editors need to get over it, and allow everyone their say! Even though I have two brothers that live in Utah, Bountiful and Logan, four other brothers and three sisters live/lived in California. Utah LDS history takes a lesser slant, myopic to my analysis, than do California historians. My great uncle William founded Odgen and Cache Valley, and is not fully recognized in those area since he only stayed a few years in each location.

That is, Archibald traveled widely, Canada, Utah, Wyoming and other places, and should not be thought of as only a Utah LDS pioneer. Your anonymous editor seems not to see beyond Utah's borders, discussing its pioneeros that stayed in Utah, a common fault seen in every Deseret Book store - with its shelves filled with Utah Pioneer history, and bare for other states, especially California, reached and settled before Utah was settled. Without Sam Brannan's efforts, and many others, Utah would have experienced greater cash crises before Archibald brought in gold, silver and other mining activities near West Jordan.

Finally, I will continue to accept anyone's editorial comments and additions to Archibald's life. However, think big, and we'll all enjoy reading the details his life as it took place. Best Regards, Milogardner

Milogardner -- well! I can see why the anon editor thought you were defending your turf! Your group's anonymous editor is too sensitive.....Thin skinned ....get over it, and allow everyone their say! I'm glad that you ...will continue to accept anyone's editorial comments and additions to Archibald's life. Please, remember that the Wiki article is not yours. All interested parties, including our anon editor (who, if I am not mistaken, shares your last name), are free to work on the article as they wish. Reverting honorable edits, yes, even anon's, submitted with good intentions, is generally perceived as aggressive and territorial. As time permits, I will look over the article, edit and add my bit, as appropriate. Others will as well. I would encourage you to take all honest edits in good faith. Best........... WBardwin 19:40, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Baldwin. You know more of the anon poster than I. As a Gardner he should share his first name, and his family links to Archibald, if that is the case. My sensitivies line in the area of Egyptian mathematics, and abstract facts, as noted by Kahun Papyrus and many other posts. I am a math historian, as an avocation, and enjoy family history as a second hobby, taken up because no one else had documented Archibald's life on Wikipedia. That is to say, I still do no know where your anon Gardner is coming from! I enjoy most of his points, but he had erased several personality citations - because he cleary does not (wish to) know the man, Archbibald as we have known him through my father, aunts, uncles, grandfather and other family members. Thank you for living nearby one of his many Utah mills, and commenting in a positive and thoughful manner. Best Regards, Milogardner

In regard to the content of the article, you might take a look at related established Wiki policies - Wikipedia:List of policies. My concerns about the article, including those personality details, are probably covered in Wikipedia:No original research which is a firm Wiki policy. Material without some published source, somewhere, is simply considered inapproriate for the Wiki. So, unless your family material has been formally published, you should trim those personal details.
I would also suggest taking a look at article guidelines and standards established at:
Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement
Best to you. WBardwin 04:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank for the links. The following info from your link omits many of the facts of history as outlined in the Book of Mormon. No where is Egyptian math mentioned as the Book of Mormon suggests arrived in Mesoamerica with Lehi. To be clear, Mesoamericans used modular arithmetic, as the Dresden Codex is detailed by (Floyd Lounsbury, The Sky in Mayan Literature, A.A. Aveni, editor). Egyptians used a lesser form of this form of arithmetic. To Ahmes and all other scribers, remainder arithmetic was used within quotients and remainders, with remainders stated as Egyptian fraction unit fractions. One day FARMS will find a way to confirm these common forms of arithmetic, used by Chihese and other astronomers dating to 1900 BCE, as ancients monitored the cycles of our planets, by looking at remainders and time, and so forth. For now these Old World and New World numerical facts are oddly separated from our planet's history, an area that Archaeoastronomers have only been professionally working on since 1975.

[edit] Systems of measuring time (calendars) All of the dates given in the Book of Mormon are stated in terms of the Nephite calendar. The system of dates used by the Lamanites is not stated. The highest numbered month mentioned is the eleventh, and the highest numbered day is the twelfth, but the total number of months in a year and the number of days in a month is not specified.[82] It is inferred from the dates presented in the narrative that the Book of Mormon uses a standard 7-day Jewish calendar (with one day of sabbath) as the calendar system used by the Nephite people.

One of the more distinctive features shared among pre-Columbian Mesoamerican civilizations is the use of an extensive system of inter-related calendars. The epigraphic and archaeological record for this practice dates back at least 2,500 years, by which time it appears to have been well-established.[83] The most widespread and significant of these calendars was the 260-day calendar, formed by combining 20 named days with 13 numerals in successive sequence (13 × 20 = 260).[84] Another system of perhaps equal antiquity is the 365-day calendar, approximating the solar year, formed from 18 'months' × 20 named days + 5 additional days. These systems and others are found in societies of that era such as the Olmec, Zapotec, Mixe-Zoque, Mixtec and Maya (whose system of Maya calendars are widely regarded as the most intricate and complex among them) reflected the vigesimal (base 20) numeral system and other numbers, such as 13 and 9, which held particular significance.[citation needed]

Although the number 7 is a co-factor in some Mesoamerican calendars (such as the Mayan 819-day calendar, formed from 13 × 9 × 7 days), none of the calendar systems used a 7-day count as an exclusive or even prominent base, and the most important ones did not use it at all

My review on this history reads the ancient texts, the only primary references, and the journals of our pioneers, as they were written. That is, I present no revisionist views at all, therefore following Wikiodia's rules almost to a fault. My training has been in mathematics and cryptanalytics, code breaking, as learned 50 years ago. These skills are continuing to allow the life of Archibald Gardner and Egyptian texts like the Kahun Papyrus, and other suhjects, to be equally reported without language and other interferences from revisionists of several ilks.

Let me stop at this point and ask that you ponder the implications of our interactions, and our apparent contrasting views on scholarship. You appear to be saying that meta analysis, of any type, is not allowed in LDS circles, an unfair and unclear assumption if I ever heard/read one. Facts are facts. Report them in context, as Wikipedia requires, and let the chips fall where they may. This is a policy that I follow on both sides of my retirement hobbies. Our personal context tends to bias many facts. Yes, our bivalent Westerm language minds tend to be two-sided (with one side often fighting against the other). One side is contained in words, one side of our brains. Words are your forte. One Wikipedia reference for this topic is Triarchic theory of intelligence, an earlier book, Triarchic Mind, by Robert Sternberg has not been covered on the cited Wikipedia link. However, words and sentences (that we use) often times do not describe reality, omitting the exlucded middle, and are therefore are not understandable. To correct aspects of this problem the other side of our brains, numbers needs to be added. The number side is my forte. Together, words and numbers, provide meta substance and structure to our secular and spiritual lives. You may disagree with the left brain, right brain, meta brain model (the triarchic mind). Whatever the case, I propose it can be fairly applied in ways that are too numerous to mention (though not documented very well by Wikipedia rules). As a positive example, the Aymara language in Boliva, may open new doors to our longer life, culturally speaking. This three part model may extend back into history, yes, even to segments of the Book of Mormon for LDS researchers that wish to read the trivalent syntax used by others. Such a language journey tends to pick up hints to a possible Jaredite Adamic syntax. Yes, Adamic's language structure is unknown, and may remain unknown for some time. Yet, Aymara was by structure and utility closer to Adamic than any language that we know of today, especially the one we are now using. My logic may be weak in this area, but the subject is profound, and therefore is worth considering off-line and outside of Wikipedia rules. That is to say, Adamic may have been at least trivalent. This proposed fact may be appreciated by others, given the proper circumstance. Thinking outside the box, as noted above, is a common position that I try to position myself on philoosphical and other issues.

Again, thank you very much for your personal additions to the life of Archibald Gardner, a pioneer of the Old West that often thought and acted 'outside the box' jump starting teh commerical side ofr several communities, another one being Spanish Fork, Utah along the way.

Best Regards, Milogardner

As a postscript. Archibald Gardner can been as an ad hoc family history project, as you have suggested, though I have thought of the wider implications of a Wikipedia entry for some time. bronsongardner, well known to me, is ably adding many new facts,and situations that I have been working into Archibald's life story. It appears that your anon editor (is following your group's guidelines to the T) has not fully read Archibald's life, and in several respects, editing our his perosnaility (for example). Therefore he may not be qualified to be an editor of his life in all respects. Of course, the anon editor's links and other structural additions to Archibald Gardner, the Wikipedia article are greatly appreciated.Milogardner

Yesterday I dropped a note into Johnathn's talk page, hoping to make direct contact with a cousin It appears that he does not reply to his talk page. Therefore, I humbly request that you humbly request Johnathn to contact me in some manner. My talk page would be fine. However, if he prefers, off-line, he may use milogardner@yahoo.com. Best Regards, Milogardner

[edit] J. Gardner

Dear Mr. Baldwin. Archibald Gardner's story lines are well documented, all describing his well known personality published in Deliah's book, and other places. One story had him building a saw mill on the moon. That is, you seem to have prematurely taken Johnathn's side before any evidence has been provided - that he may have (and did) act improperly - destroying vital information without cause, which I have humbly requested that he return. There is a Wikipedia rule against this situation, right? Best Regards, Milogardner 3/29/07.

I've not taken any side -- other than
1) urging that everyone follow Wikipedia policy and guidelines.
2) asking that editors, anon or not, receive courteous consideration of their edits.
When I have more editing time (sometime next month, I hope), I will take a look at the Archibald Gardner article as well as a couple of others that have been recently expanded or overhauled. In the meantime, I simply encourage you to objectively consider the comments/edits that others have made to the article. WBardwin 00:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the considerations. Of course I will be following Wikipedia style, content and good manners. I look forward to your personal review of Archibald Gardner and the manner and extent in which his personality/speaking style has been unfairly excised from his article. Looking closely at J. Gardners' talk page you'll see complaints from others, i.e. Mitt Romney, that have been made overly brief in critical areas by his terse editing style. Given that I'll be DSL ready this week, several video and text files of my father and others in my family can be made avaailable to J. Gardner, given his sincere desire to consider becoming a working ad hoc member of the Archibald Gardner family effort to fairly report his life, rather than a sometimes critic (leaving no markers to open issues that may easily allow discussions of apparent differences). Best Regards, Milogardner

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Thanks... how'd you manage to squeeze this one in that lil' time slot!?? <BSEG> This is a fun series to read if you like history and insights of what goes on behind events. Best regards, // FrankB 21:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, you were editing away madly, but I did manage to squeeze in a couple of copy edits as well. I am enjoying the series, but the "editor-in-me" wanted to tighten the prose in 1635: The Cannon Law. Keep up the good work. WBardwin 00:30, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

LOL - careful, if you tighten it much more it will become a singularity and implode! As to the 'good work', I've been MIA pretty much since summer on that series. Other matters on the plate(s). It's nice to get an editing break in articles again. (I've been pushing for that.) If you're going through this now, suggest you take some notes... need to begin putting together some sort of character list page, and the historical figures section is pretty skimpy though some have done good work with that since I last looked in. Interested? // FrankB 13:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Historical figures

The page above is being considered for deletion. Please feel free to take part in the discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Historical figures. John Carter 18:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

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