User talk:Watchtower Sentinel

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[edit] Hamsacharya dan's deceptive edit

Hello, why are you attempting to delete the kriya yoga disambiguation page and remove it from the kriya yoga page? I put the justification in the talk page, and never heard any discussion from you. My edit of the kriya yoga page was not deceptive- there was bona fide vandalism from an anonymous user. Can you clarify your intent please? --Hamsacharya dan 02:55, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, your edit was deceptive because instead of restoring the article to how it was before it has been vandalized you reverted it to an older edit by Kkrystian (17:30, 5 March 2007), which contains your Kriya Yoga (disambiguation) nonsense. Following your lead I reverted it to the latest version by Kkrystian (09:40, 10 March 2007).

Your agenda is crystal clear, you are in Wikipedia to promote your cult and its leader Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath and have him recognized as an authentic guru and a valid source of Kriya Yoga, which he is not because he has no real lineage. Actually, this page lists you as an ordained teacher of the cult, and that should be enough to disqualify you from editing the article Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath because commonsense dictates that as a faithful sheep of that person it would be impossible for you to edit the article about him NPOV. And not only Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath but every article that relates to your cult's claim of authority like Kriya Yoga, Mahavatar Babaji, guru, etc. because you are only bound to repeatedly spam and vandalize them with your unacceptable insertions of Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath's name.

I won't be surprised if you were the one who vandalized the Kriya Yoga article, using another username or a fellow cult member situated in a different location, so that you can, in the guise of protecting the article, deceptively revert it to an older version that contains your Kriya Yoga (disambiguation) nonsense (now transformed into a more fitting redirect) that links AGAIN to Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath thereby serving your personal interest. - Sentinel 09:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kriya Yoga (disambiguation)

I didn't realise that. I've redirected it to the other disambiguation page instead. I denied speedy deletion because it doesn't meet any of the criteria for speedy deletion, and despite being a duplicate, it was not a disambiguation page that linked to only one article. --Coredesat 08:47, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath

Howdy Watchtower. I wanted to drop back in and share a few POV thoughts. I happen to agree with most of your assessment of YGS. The issues have been beat to death on the talk page. I don't think YGS is a Nath or Kriyaban by initiation. If he was, he would mention his Guru or Gurus and not make up a character claiming it is "actually" someone else. Failure to name one's Guru, as you know, is very insulting to either tradition and very odd for someone of either line. In the context of the article as it now stands, it also doesn't make much difference. Since you outed the COI editor, the page is moving towards NPOV. I was unaware that there was a COI noticeboard, so when it came to my attention I was happy to hand you the info to correct the editing problem. In my opinion it would be best to keep the article free from outlandish claims and just let it be. It has withstood two AfD's. I don't really know why. If people are really curious about details, they can read about the controversial elements on the talk page and in the archives. If people don't care you can't protect them from dodgy guru figures anyway. Also, this is not the purpose of Wikipedia, as far as I understand.

If any editor attempts to enter YGS in the Nath or Kriya pages, without compelling third party reference, I will work to remove the remove the claims because I have no reason to believe they might belong there. I respect your views. Please also have some sympathy that I am a new editor and am sticking out my neck in agreeing with you in part. Wikipedia is not a vacuum as I understand it. If an editing environment is overly contentious, many decent and intelligent editors stay away as they may have a better use of their time. In my own case, I wouldn't have attempted to participate in the YGS page while the COI editor was active. Please don't think I'm talking down to you are anything, I think you are a sharp and commited editor. I just want you to know where I stand. If we can make the YGS page NPOV and create an atmosphere where good editors may feel comfortable to edit or participate in discussion, I think we have served our purpose and improved the article and Wikipedia. This form of good will, may on the basis of its own merit create a situation where others may be aware of the situation and be willing to help on other pages as well. All good wishes to you. -Vritti 06:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)