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[edit] Lunar dependence

The wording of the section mentioning waterbending's reliance on the moon makes it seem that even a new moon would leave them powerless. Considering they come once a month, and yet the characters have never suffered ill effects because of them, perhaps it should be rewritten to point out that the only time waterbenders suffer from the "moon's absence" is when it is literally struck out of the sky (or, potentially, a lunar eclipse). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.61.200.253 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

During a new moon, the moon is still there though. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 02:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

HeirTo Pendragon is right, the Waterbenders can still draw power from the moon even if it isn't visible, they do it all the time during the daytime. We've never seen a waterbender unable to bend just because the sun was up. JBK405 15:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] With all due respect...

If water bending within the body (the stomach specifically) have not been seen in the show, then why are they in the article? There's no citation, so I can only conclude that this is mere speculation. If so, it does not belong here, and needs to be removed. T.z0n3 01:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Thought the same thing myself at first, but it's on Nick.com's offical Avatar site.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 02:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Changing this part

"Select Waterbenders such as Katara possess the rare ability to heal wounds by redirecting energy paths (or chi) throughout the body, using water as a catalyst. Physically, this draws on the restorative properties of water to organisms such as human beings that are primarily composed of it. In the Northern Water Tribe, this ability is reserved for female Waterbenders, who are restricted from learning fighting tactics."

I'm rewording it because it's not a "rare ability" that only certain Waterbenders can possess. It's an ability all of them can learn. It's a matter of training. 24.14.120.92 03:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that rare in this case means that she did such an ability without training.

[edit] Spirituality

End the revision war! Which one means push and which means pull. Bring EVIDENCE H2P 06:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Stated Directly from the show:

Aang: I need to find the moon and the ocean
Koh: Their spirit names are Tui and La, Push and Pull

Therefore I am going off this to conclude:
Tui = Moon and Push
La = Ocean and Pull

This would also be the reason why Yue, named after the moon spirit, resembles Tui more than La. I realize that these names may contradict the female and male roles of Yin and Yang. The black side of a YinYang does represent feminine which would be La, but it also represents moon (when compared to sun!) which would be Tui. The Avatar world may be going off their own representation. If anyone can bring about evidence that can completely disregard Koh's statement, bring it forth, because only then should those two aspects be changed. Remember we are keeping these articles to what we know (which would be what the show and writers tell us) and removing speculations. H2P 21:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I am a part Chinese and I know a bit about the language. "Tui" means push ONLY, not moon at all. Moon is "yue" (which also happens to be princess Yue's name. coincidence? I think not.) And "La" only means pull, nothing to do with the ocean. I may not be an expert in Chinese, but I'm pretty sure these are correct. Hope this helps you.- Stretchyrubberbands 17:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lunar Ecplise and Waterbending

It's said by Katara in the The Library episode that waterbenders lose their powers during the lunar ecplise seeing as how the moon in the Siege of the North when Zhao took Tui out of the pond, the moon was red. That's what a lunar eclipse looks like.

[edit] within-show styles

Can this article include stuff on "Northern", "Southern" and "Swampy" styles, tribes, etc. I would add it, just don't know how it should be put in sections, and if it will get deleted for being not refrenced......it might be public knowldge though....--Bud0011 21:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I always wondered how the show would explain the swamp dwellers bending of both water and plants. A new "Styles" section would be beneficial. However, there is not much information regarding the "Southern" style, since Katara is the only and not very experienced waterbender left from that area. --Skaijo
Would like to include the following, but apprently it doesn't make sense. can anyone modify this so it does make sense?
  • "There are three known styles of Waterbending: Northern, Southern, and Swamp style. Though Wong Shi Tong (The_Library_(Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender_episode)) metions that he has Mastered All Three Types, He Show's little about the diffrences; Leaving it up to the watcher to understand a distiunguish. For Institance, The Healing Technigue(s) Katara sees at the North pole may be an all-style or only Northern Style Use. In addition, if the 3 Styles are vastly Diffrent, Aang May have to learn and Master all Three styles to Truely Master All the Elements. "

--Bud0011 12:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

All of that is speculative. There are different style due to their location, but we don't really know anything about those styles other than the fact that the swamp tribe can bend plants. The N and S tribes might be able to... if they had plants. And we don't know if Aang hasn't all ready learned them.H2P 21:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Which is why i said "may have to learn" and "He Show's little about the diffrences" --Bud0011 22:13, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disadvantages in bending

I want to propose the removing of the next sentence on the articles (and obviously from all the other bending articlues): "Waterbending has no inherent advantages or disadvantages over the other disciplines. The series has repeatedly illustrated that it's the skill and prowess of the user that determines victory". That's not true, for example waterbending has the disadvantage of the need of an external source of water, while have the advantage of being very adaptable.

Firebending has the disadvantage of no defensive capabilities while some advantages are that moustly of the fights are during daytime and that fire is destructive by itself while the other bendings has to master their power in order to cause real damage, also the fire lets the fire nation mold the steel for their ships.

Air has the disadvantage of the lack of finishing moves, while they have the advantage of being very agile which lets them handle several oponents.

Earth has the natural disadvantage that doesnt let them build a huge navy ('couse earthbending is pointless in the ocean), while having one of the best defensive capabilities.

Those are just a few examples to ilustrate my point. I apologize in advance for my english 'couse I'm not a native english speaker. Carutsu.

I don't think you understand the sentence properly. It means that waterbending isn't the strongest or weakest form of bending, it is only as powerful as the person controlling it. Though admitably, the sentence doesn't really make sense because of the points you listed...Bendragonbrown47 18:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mud

In The Avatar State, general Fong put earth in Katara's bending water, turning it to mud, so she couldn't use anymore, how does she bend the mud from the drill then? Is it an error or there is a logical explanation?

Please sign your comments using ~~~~. Now, for the explanation. Katara COULD have bended the water out of the dirt, as she did it in The Desert. However, she did not have the time to do this during the battle. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 04:53, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

The other obvious explanation is that if she had stopped to do that, the general could easily have tried to bury the water. She's never successfully bended mud with an earthbender opposing her.Sean Patrick Santos 01:43, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

The stuff from the drill was NOT mud. It's called "slurry". There's a difference. Keyblade Mage 15:12, 1 October 2006 (UTC)Keyblade Mage

[edit] Misnomer?

I think that water bending is a little bit of a misnomer, since Katara could bend the perfume in the episoide Bato of the water tribe, plus she bended the slurry from the drill. It seems that waterbenders can bend multiple liquids and and not just water. Keyblade Mage 15:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)Keyblade Mage

Well most liquids do have water in them. The perfume thing I don't understand because Perfume is mostly just oil. The slurry though, is just rock that is mixed with water to allow it to be moved easier. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 19:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Even oil-based perfumes can contain emulsions of water, and I believe that water-based perfumes have been made, but they tend to be less effective. I'd chalk it up to an oversight by the writers probably. In either case, there's no definitive case showing a water-less liquid being bent. Considering the force with which Katara moves water, and the high intermolecular forces in water molecules (so that water mixes easily with many things and sticks to them), it's not so surprising that she can control most liquids with a significant percentage of H20.

[edit] Bender Templates

So, I posted this on the Avatar Wikiproject page, but everyone seems to be ignoring it, so I'll post it here, too: we need as template for the "Something"bender pages. I proposed one too, and here it is:

  • Origin & History (Badger-moles for earthbending, the moon for waterbending, etc.)
  • Fighting Style (The Martial Art it is based on)
  • Forms (i.e., for waterbending, there would be Northern, Southern, and Swamp styles)
  • Tecniques & Weapons (for Airbending, there would be the glider and the air scooter; for firebending, lightning would be here, as well as Zuko's flame-swords; one for waterbending would be healing, etc.)
  • Culture (Agni Kai for firebenders; that airball game Aang taught Sokka; the Earthbending game the kids were playing in Iroh's tale. Also would include Elemental Symbol)
  • Notable ___benders (self-explanatory; replace ___ with Earth, Fire, Water, or Air)

Does anyone have anything to suggest, criticize, or whether or not we should do it at all? Sandmouse 19:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

To be perfectly honest, I think they're fine the way they are.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
But it would be nice to have all the -bender pages similar, wouldn't it? Sandmouse 01:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

Would it be possible to replace the picture of the water bender soldiers? Their blue uniforms and the small amount of water being manipulated doesn't make for a particularly good example of water bending. A picture of a single water bender manipulating a larger quantity of water, preferably on a different coloured background would be much more effective. ColonelCurt 06:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe this picture? It still has a lot of blue but it's much easier to see the water: http://screenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/118/082.jpg

Is anyone going to give an opinion about the picture above? 201.37.194.90 15:02, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ku Taichi?

In the "Fighting Styles" section is reads, "Waterbending is based on the "Ku" style of Tai Chi, which originated in the Ku Yu Cheong lineage; it is a martial art that features slow movements and elegant forms that evoke the feel of flowing water." The citation for it goes to the Nick Short about what fighting style was used to create water bending. It NEVER mentioned the word "KU" at all. I've never heard of Ku style Tai chi. As far as I know; Ku Yu Cheong was a northern Shaolin master famous for his Iron Palm technique. So, I'm going to delete the bit that says it comes from the "Ku Yu Cheong lineage”. I think someone was playing a trick that was never caught. (Ghostexorcist 17:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Other articles

Fire bending and water bending articles exsist. (the latter created by me because I didn't know this one exsisted - sorry!). Can someone delete them (or at least merge/redirect) because I don't know how. Thanks.Bendragonbrown47 20:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I've redirected them to Firebender and Waterbender, respectively.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry once again. Bendragonbrown47 18:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plant Bending?

What happened to the Plant Bending section? --69.136.111.100 21:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Waterbending picture

I think that the first picture on this page isn't very effective, i found a diffrent one but don't know how to change it so I'll leave the link for some else to.

http://screenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/220/642.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.81.193.186 (talk) 03:41, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Notable Waterbenders

Why isn't Yangchen a notable Waterbender? She was an Avatar and therefore a Waterbender, if Kuruk is a notable Waterbender, so must be Yangchen. 189.4.230.173 22:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

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