Talk:Wat Phra Dhammakaya

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[edit] Criticism and Controversy

There have been several attempts to delete this section without any explanation or discussion. Please discuss here before you try to delete it again.

User:61.91.191.4 who deleted this section has claimed that this section is "not true. It's lie by agitator". I have informally investigated his/her claim and found that the deleted sections had proper and valid supporting references from respectable sources (Asiaweek magazine, The Nation newspaper). Therefore, it is legitimate and should not be deleted without discussing here first.
It should also be noted that User:61.91.191.4 has a long history of spam and vandalism. If this deletion is repeated, I'm inclined to consider it another vandalism attempt. --Melanochromis 08:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
The unexplained removal of this section happened again. However, as the article is semi-protected, the deletion this time was done by User:Philothai whom I suspect might be the same person as the anonymous deleter in the past. Please discuss here first before deleting. Otherwise, it would be considered vandalism. --Melanochromis 16:27, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
These anonymous deletions go back months at at Dhammakaya Movement (history) (and Dhammakaya Foundation (history), before it got merged). Ewlyahoocom 19:03, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

The article text in question seems to be verfiable and from a reliable source. Wikipedia's articles have a neutral point of view which should allow for information which could be regarded as critical, and that content is not censored. --Oden 15:31, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

The Phrarajbhavanavisudh article should probably also be sprotected as well. Ewlyahoocom 06:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I didn't realized that article existed. It probably is not a good candidate to be sprotected since there's no recent vandalism from anonymous users. --Melanochromis 04:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
There seemed to be a lot of miscellaneous articles created concerning Dhammakaya... Some of them I think is utterly redundant since most were very similar (Dhammakaya center, Wat, Foundation)Suredeath 13:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
merge them? --Melanochromis 05:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Between Faith and Fund-Raising

Can this article be expanded to include some information from the article at http://www.pathfinder.com/asiaweek/magazine/99/0917/thailand.html ? Ewlyahoocom 08:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding the edits by User:Philothai on 27 December 2006

I have revised it. This is a bit more complicated than simple removal of contents done earlier. So, there are a couple of things I like to point out:

  • Deletion of ligitimate part. Please stop this. See previous discussions.
  • Copy and paste from another article. Please do not do this either. Try to write something that is more relevant specifically to this article.
  • Citation from a personal blog. Please use citations from media sources.
  • Scan of newspaper articles. I'm not sure if this is allowed to be posted, so I left them in the article. Does anyone know what's wikipedia policy for this?

--Melanochromis 17:55, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


I think I remember this format from Matichon online Archive. I could be wrong though. Better safe than sorry. http://mic.matichon.co.th/. You can probably check by contacting their customer's service at mic@matichon.co.th Hmm now that I checked Matichon demo, it doesn't look the same, but they could have change the format years ago. Suredeath 18:31, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Some of the information was removed here.
  • The images do not have a compatible license, and are tagged for speedy deletion.
--Oden 19:29, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted the most recent edits by the user in question, please let me know if I have removed too much. --Oden 19:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I think you did good. This article has a very unusual history of repeated deletions, copy-and-paste from other sources, copyrights and licensing issues, blatant censorship, weird claims with no citations, etc. We can't keep investigate every single dubious edit. There shouldn't be no more benefits of doubt. So, if there is any edit in question, especially when done by a user who has a bad record, we should just revert it back. Let's establish this as the standard procedure for this article. --Melanochromis 21:36, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


Oden, I think you did not good. Because this article have some content untrue. Now Phrajabhavanavisudhi still be a monk,and someone who wrote "Abbot Dhammachayo is not referred to by the common title for monks, "Phra" because he has been expelled from the monastic sangha by the Supreme Patriarch of Thailand and the Sangha Council. To use this title would run foul of Thailand's laws against impersonating a monk." , this content was untrue. why you did not re-check.
Matichon and Siamrat newspaper were really Apologies to wat phra dhammakaya and phrarajabhavanavisudhi, why you said they did not apologies.You were lied.
Suredeath, you can read thai, why you did not check by telephone to mtichom and siamrat newspaper office, or in thisweb[1]
philothai—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.161.55.43 (talk) 13:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC).
  • And where did these clippings come from originally, it's your job to verify it before putting it into the articles, not mine.Suredeath 14:10, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Philothai: if what you are asserting can be verified using a reliable source then feel free to add it to the article. However, removing content which is relevant and properly sourced is not considered to be constructive.--Oden 14:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cite media sources, not personal blogs

Please see Wikipedia:Reliable sources

Bloggang.com is by no means a reliable source. It is primarily an online diary with no verifiable academic aspects whatsoever. Please use media sources such as newspapers and magazines. The temple has had huge coverage in the media in last decade, this is no excuse to replace the media sources with a personal blog. --Melanochromis 15:42, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

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