Talk:Warrington bomb attacks
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[edit] Terrorism
This was an act of terrorism as defined in law by section 14 of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1989 and listed as such in the Hansard debate linked in the article [1]. Tim! 13:27, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- Totally disagree, 1. civilians "non-combatants" were not target the target of this attack, 2. Who's definition of terrorist/terrorism are we to use? - there are 100's of definitions, 3. It is completely POV and therefore not in keeping with WP:NPOV, 4. also see Wikipedia:Words to avoid#Terrorist, terrorism.--Vintagekits 13:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- Since when has Boots the Chemist become a legitimate military target? Planting bombs in shopping centres is clearly terrorism, as is bombing Gas tanks in a town centre. Astrotrain 14:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- Since when is Boots the Chemist a civilian--Vintagekits 14:02, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- If it is POV, please give a source which doesn't say this was a terrorist incident. As for "words to avoid", it says "The words terrorism and terrorist may be cited where there is a verifiable and cited indication of who is calling a person or group terrorist" and as I say above UK law clearly defines this as a terrorist act. Tim! 14:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- Wiki doesnt go by UK law alone - In UK law the city of Derry is actually Londonderry but it is not called Londonderry on wiki. Terrorist attack is POV in this occasion and other where the target was not civilians.--Vintagekits 15:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- NPOV policy is not about not stating views, it is about balancing opposing views, and who does not view this act as terrorism? The distinction between civilian and non-civilian is also a POV. Tim!
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- Exactly its based on POV and therefore should be removed.--Vintagekits 15:28, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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- NPOV policy is not about not stating views, it is about balancing opposing views, and who does not view this act as terrorism? The distinction between civilian and non-civilian is also a POV. Tim!
- Wiki doesnt go by UK law alone - In UK law the city of Derry is actually Londonderry but it is not called Londonderry on wiki. Terrorist attack is POV in this occasion and other where the target was not civilians.--Vintagekits 15:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- If it is POV, please give a source which doesn't say this was a terrorist incident. As for "words to avoid", it says "The words terrorism and terrorist may be cited where there is a verifiable and cited indication of who is calling a person or group terrorist" and as I say above UK law clearly defines this as a terrorist act. Tim! 14:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- Since when is Boots the Chemist a civilian--Vintagekits 14:02, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- Erm, your not even answering the question now... Tim! 15:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- OK, here is a Britsh website and no reference to a terrorist attack - its called a bomb attack--Vintagekits 15:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- No, this does not explicity states that this was not terrorism. That article neither says it was or was not terrorism. Also if you read the article they did not know at the time of writing that the act had been perpertrated by the IRA. Tim! 16:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Lol, if it doesnt not state it is a terrorist attack then that is obviously implicit. I can add a lot more references if you issue, I can also add one where it states that it was carried out by "freedom fighters" - do you think that should be added also? It's called balance--Vintagekits 17:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- If you can find a reliable source which says this was an act of freedom fighters you can add it to balance out what you seem to perceive as bias. Tim! 18:02, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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- That is not the way wiki works! I am going to call it a "Jelly and Icecream attack" unless you can provide a reliable source which says this was not a "Jelly and Icecream attack" then it should be added! Obviously that is nonsense but just shows that your suggestion is equally not the way forward.--Vintagekits 19:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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- If you can find a reliable source which says this was an act of freedom fighters you can add it to balance out what you seem to perceive as bias. Tim! 18:02, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- Lol, if it doesnt not state it is a terrorist attack then that is obviously implicit. I can add a lot more references if you issue, I can also add one where it states that it was carried out by "freedom fighters" - do you think that should be added also? It's called balance--Vintagekits 17:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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- No, this does not explicity states that this was not terrorism. That article neither says it was or was not terrorism. Also if you read the article they did not know at the time of writing that the act had been perpertrated by the IRA. Tim! 16:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- OK, here is a Britsh website and no reference to a terrorist attack - its called a bomb attack--Vintagekits 15:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- Since when has Boots the Chemist become a legitimate military target? Planting bombs in shopping centres is clearly terrorism, as is bombing Gas tanks in a town centre. Astrotrain 14:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- You're the one removing the categories despite sources which sconcur. Don't create absurd strawmen. Tim! 19:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- This is not a strawman, terrorist is POV as is freedom fighter,--Vintagekits 21:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
