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I'm glad this page has started growing. I posted a map, and I'll write short summaries of the continents and etc. UED77 19:07, 2004 Jul 6 (UTC)

Contents 1 Influences to the Games & Derived from the Games 2 Capitalization of the C 3 Small discrepency 4 Map of Azeroth 5 Garona 6 Draenor "humans" 7 Tabletop games 8 Corrupted Blood 9 Universe vs. universe 10 I'm confused 11 Locations in WoW universe 12 Troll links 13 In universe writing

[edit] Influences to the Games & Derived from the Games

I think it's important to note that Warcraft & Starcraft derived a lot of the army styles, tactics, abilities, from Warhammer & W40k. The over-bulked deformed graphics of the humans and orcs is straight from the WH world. Even the way combat was resolved is very similar to the WH system (except the values were increased).

WC I/II/III & SC are Blizzards interpretation of a miniature-based strat/tact game in real-time.

What other influences are there?

Wasn't WC the first one to introduce the multi-click "annoyance" responses from units? Orc 6th click: "Will you stop touching MEEEEEE!!!!!"

--Duemellon 17:42, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

There are also some D&D influences, especially in WC3. Some magic items are taken straight from the Dungeon Master's Guide. Ausir 01:51, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalization of the C

Minor point, but there seems to be some inconsistency on the various WarCraft pages as to whether or not the C should be capitalized. See for example, the links to the games at the bottom of the WarCraft II entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft_II the StarCraft links all have capital C's but the WarCrafts don't. As far as I know, Blizzard released the games with capital C's. User:24.103.176.173

There is no confusion. Warcraft is released with a lowercase c. StarCraft has a capital C. This is confirmed on Blizzard's website. —Lowellian (talk)[[]] 01:29, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)

This is old, but I will respond for anyone else. WarCraft and WarCraft Adventures were both officially spelt with a capital C, but when Warcraft 2 was released they stopped using it. - User:UnlimitedAccess

[edit] Small discrepency

I have a few questions about this article. One, is there any proof that Goblins originated on Draenor? It is clear that Goblins now live wholly in Azeroth, on the island of Undermine primarily but can be found other places. Secondly, I beleive that Draenor was once a temprate zone, but since the Dark Portal messed things up, I think now it's a barren red rocky zone. If anyone can find answers and proof, post back here. Omni gamer 21:48, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I don't remember the origins of goblins exactly, but for your other question: Draenor was always referred to as the Red World, whatever that might mean exactly. See map of Draenor in WC2 manual (or at least WC2BNE). The ingame tileset sure seemed pretty harsh from WC2:BTDP. It was relatively barren and red. The only vegetation seemed to be giant tree-like mushrooms, from which I deduce that the soil is fertile. But let's not forget that Draenor might not only include the Hellfire peninsula and lands in its immediate vicinity. Perhaps Draenor does have climate zones, we just have no knowledge of them. However, now that the portals have shattered it, only pieces of the Hellfire peninsula remain, which is pretty much a desert, altho the mushrooms do show up occasionally. UED77 06:00, 2004 Dec 19 (UTC)

I'm going to check my game manuals from WCII when I get home, but I'm pretty sure that the goblins, like the trolls, were native to Azeroth and joined up with the Horde because 1) General demi-human predjudice against greenskins 2) They thought the horde would win. Also, Draenor has it's own article, which is more complete than the section here. I will probably merge the articles when i get a chance. Jaxal1 18:18, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I don't think any of the literature addresses it, but within WoW, I have read a bood that clearly stated that Draenor used to be a world with grassy plains - Mulgore comes to mind in the description. If anyone wants to check, I am pretty certain the book was found in Scholomance very early on. It claimed that the orc's demon magic TURNED the planet nasty. The soil may or may not have been red, but they had grass. theflyingorc 22:16, 07 Aug 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Map of Azeroth

I think the map of Azeroth overlaid over Earth looks nice. However, is there any evidence at all that Azeroth has the same size as Earth? As far as I know, there is none; indeed, from World of WarCraft, it seems much, much smaller than Earth. Therefore, the map is misleading. So if no one can provide evidence that Azeroth is the same size as Earth, I am going to remove that map in a few days. —Lowellian (talk)[[]] 01:36, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)

I was the one who originally created this map, but I took it down not soon after, because of the same reason. Actually I was surprised as I saw it reappear on this page. Unfortunately, there is no information whatsoever about the size of Planet Azeroth, except what the actual gameplay of World of Warcraft suggests. And while I see that the game should be treated as canon (official source), it should be kept in mind that Azeroth seems smaller because the technology is not yet available to design a virtual world the size of an entire planet ;) But this taken with the discrepancies between climates at what are thought to be same latitudes lead to two possible conclusions: Either all the maps of Azeroth that were ever published are deliberately inaccurate in a sense, much like colonial-age maps of Earth, or the laws that govern our world simply do not apply in Azeroth. Yes, I know I'm taking this just a little bit too seriously, but that's what it boils down to. I will take the map down once again. I value the intensions of the unknown contributor who put it up, but since there is no fact behind it, it has to go. UED77 06:00, 2004 Dec 19 (UTC)

[edit] Garona

Blizzard before they released Warcraft III, released a whole stack of promotional images, one of them was this one to the right. A lot of people online have said this is an image of Garona but I cant get any confirmation of that, does anyone know whether it's just a random female Orc or really is Garona? Thanks - UnlimitedAccess 23:28, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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The link is 404 now. Also there used to be a Garona in World of Warcraft beta, albeit short lived. Pics? ~PG

[edit] Draenor "humans"

Apparently Garona was changed to half-Draenei/half-Orc. So technically, since she's not half-human, there shouldn't be any humans on Draenor. It was confirmed by Caydiem on WoW forums.

While some say that Garona was changed to half Draenei half orc, my friend asked Metzen about this and Metzen said that we'll still need to find out. Seeing as Metzen has greater authority than Caydiem, we can guess that her race is still unknown. Mecheon --144.137.44.60 01:22, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tabletop games

World of Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game is the successor to the Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game series (essentially it's version 2.0) thus I removed refernces to WC:RPG, since WoW:RPG is backwards compatible. As for Warcraft: the Board Game and World of Warcraft: the Board Game, they are two separate games, as shown here:

Warcraft: the Board Game

World of Warcraft: the Board Game --Kaziel 19:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Corrupted Blood

This article has been added to the AfD, please go to Articles for deletion/Corrupted Blood and give your vote on the subject. Thank you. Havok (T/C/c) 22:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Universe vs. universe

I think it should be Warcraft universe and not Warcraft Universe (as the main article that is, seeing as I know it redirects). Any thoughts? Havok (T/C/c) 07:58, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm confused

Is WoWWiki dedicated only to World of Warcraft or Warcraft in general? Pece Kocovski 06:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Generally, it's just WoW-related (hence the name), but some general Warcraft info is there as well. RobertM525 01:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

So is Wiki better for Warcraft info or Is WoWWiki better? Pece Kocovski 02:14, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

That is like comparing apples to oranges. I think Wikipedia has less "bias" and more "encyclopedic" content, while WoW Wiki is more of a strategy guide. They are both good in their own way. Havok (T/C/c) 06:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

WoWWiki is largely a strategy guide for the MMORPG, however, their "lore" section, infomation from written sources and the games, is quite extensive, and goes into deeper detail than the information here. --Ragestorm 02:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

The About WoWWiki page (on WoWWiki) should answer this question quite well now :) It covers all of Warcraft now and, as Ragestorm says, it's more in-depth than wikipedia. I would disagree with the 'bias' comment, especially these days. Kirkburn 04:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Locations in WoW universe

Just a note to watch out for. Someone appears to have it out for the location pages, as earlier he targeted almost all of them for deletion, under the definition of "Game Guide." These articles are unsourced, and a few of them are scant on information. But for the most part, I believe large portions of these articles constitute an encyclopedic reference to the *mythology* behind the geography of warcraft, not a playing guide. Based on that, I reverted the tags, but be aware that they may soon be targetted for a deletion discussion. --Josh

[edit] Troll links

The troll pages have been merged into one page, detailing all of the different subsets. The links here have been updated to reflect this.

09:37, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Alterac Valley (prod) 09:37, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Kirin Tor (prod) 09:37, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Dalaran (prod) 09:36, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Caer Darrow (prod) 09:36, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) The Scarlet Monastery (prod) (top) 09:36, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Undercity (prod) 09:35, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Khaz Modan (prod) 09:35, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Gnomeregan (prod) 09:35, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Azeroth (world) (prod) 09:34, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Ironforge (prod) 09:33, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Quel'Thalas (prod) 09:33, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Azeroth (kingdom) (prod) 09:33, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Dark Portal (prod) 09:32, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Molten Core (prod) (top) 09:32, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Stormwind (prod) 09:31, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) The Sunken Temple (prod) 09:31, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Deadmines (prod) 09:31, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Blackfathom Deeps (prod) 09:30, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Azuremyst Isles (Redirect to Locations_in_the_Warcraft_Universe - there's way more info on this location there) (top) 09:28, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Orgrimmar (prod) 09:27, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Thunder Bluff (prod) 09:27, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Darnassus (prod) 09:26, 7 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Northrend (prod)

[edit] In universe writing

This article could be good, if it was not written in an in-universe style. I'd like to correct it, but English is not my first language and I would do mistakes/inelegant sentences. There is not much to change. "In Warcraft 2, Draenor is descripted as..." or "The manual of Beyond the Dark Portal says that Azeroth..." etc etc... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.70.252.111 (talk) 12:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC).