Talk:Wally the Green Monster

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Contents 1 Huh? 2 Proposal 3 Reply 4 Alright 5 Overhaul 6 Category & References 7 "Biography" reversion

[edit] Huh?

How is this article not NPOV? Màglor 15:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

It reads like John Henry wrote it. It seems like something written by the Sox front office. It appears that the older page that you redirected took a more NPOV. Instead of contributing to it, you redirected it. If any issues arise please leave a message on my talk. Yanksox 15:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal

I propose that Wally (mascot) be restored since it was NPOV and this article redirects to it. Yanksox 15:40, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I didn't think there was an article on Wally, and I wrote this one before finding Wally (mascot). Wally (mascot) was a two or three sentance stub, and this article was an expansion of it, so I see no reason why we needed both. How was the stub neutral, what specifically isn't neutral in this article. Tell me what needs attention and I'll rewrite. Màglor 15:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

You expand a stub by writing a new article? That seems a little bizzarre. You could have changed Wally and then redirected this to that.

"They say Wally was a huge fan of the Sox who moved inside the left field wall of Fenway Park (called the Green Monster since it "eats up" hits that would easily be home runs at other parks) in 1947. Wally was a shy creature however and never told anyone he lived there until 1997 (on the 50th anniversery of the Green Monster wall) when he came out of the manual scoreboard"

That is not an encloypedily (I wish I could spell) written. You also stated that you are a diehard Sox fan (which I am, too) but it seems like you are exessivley defending this. It is very frightening when you consider the things that are happening from the front office recently. Wally the stub was neutral. I will incorporate it into this and eliminate all things that appear to be opinions. Yanksox 15:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alright

Sounds like a plan, combine the two and lets see what happens. Màglor 15:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not trying to talk down upon what you put. In fact, I'm glad you created a page and added a picture. It's just that the incident involving when Wally was first introduced and his description could use improvement on BOTH articles. Besides, I like this heading MUCH better and this could become a solid article. I'm removing NPOV and replacing with a construction tag. Yanksox 16:00, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Good to see you working together. Don't forget to check the "what links here" some or all the articles passing through the redirect could be changed to come right here. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:15, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Overhaul

I made some significant edits to the page. My main goal was to separate fact from fiction; that is to say, I wanted to make sure the reader knows both the factual information regarding the mascot and the fictional story behind him and how to distinguish between the two. I hope this clears things up a bit. hoopydink^{Conas tá tú?} 17:37, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category & References

I added the categories. I think this from an earlier version should be included. While not the best reference it's better than nothing. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 05:45, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Biography" reversion

As I mentioned at User_talk:Hoopydink, I don't remotely understand that person's reversion. A subject header, "Biography (from the Red Sox promotions department)" seems an extremely non-standard way to set off quoted and fictional material; if anything, it absolutely blurs the distinction between fiction and reality by presenting the "biography" as fact instead of for what it is, marketing copy from the Red Sox. I agree it's interesting that they made up this story about 1947, but it shouldn't be presented as anything other than quoted material (unless it isn't a direct quote, in which case it should be rewritten to make it clearer it's fiction). Pending consensus I believe my edit should be restored. Cheers, PhilipR 05:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I just edited the article to hopefully alleviate some of the concerns. hoopydink^{Conas tá tú?} 06:01, 29 September 2006 (UTC)