Talk:Wallasey

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Contents 1 OMD 2 Leasowe 3 Queensway Tunnel and its effect 4 Districts 5 History section

[edit] OMD

OMD came from Meols, not Wallasey --Faddyw 19:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leasowe

To the best of my knowledge, Leasowe is no longer a part of Wallasey. James R 22:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Can confirm, having spoken to my Grandad (a lifetime Wallaseyan). Leasowe is a seperate town to Wallasey but is considered, with Moreton, a part of Wallasey only for parliamentary reasons. James R 16:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Queensway Tunnel and its effect

Queensway goes to Birkenhead and Kingsway to Wallasey. In fact they are often refered to as the Birkenhead and Wallasey Tunnels. I don't think the Queensway had as much effect as the Mersey Railway and its branches. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.9.211.79 (talk • contribs).

I've removed the mention of the Queensway tunnel now. I doubt a tunnel serving a different town had any effect at all on the growth of Wallasey. Revert me if I'm wrong. James R 16:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I lived in Wallasey as a child. At the time (1960s), I recall only one tunnel, the Queensway, which was regularly used to get from Wallasey to Liverpool (via Birkenhead). Wallasey and Birkenhead are not exactly "different towns"; they are (or were in the mid 20th century) like the residential and industrial halves of a single urban area, and the Queensway tunnel served them both. It's a bit artificial to discuss their development in isolation from one another. I don't feel that I have sufficient knowledge to edit much on this page, but I'm concerned that the edits since User:Jmcc150 on May 10th may be introducing factual errors. I'm reverting the Queensway -> Kingsway edit as a minimum correction. Slowmover 19:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

None of the edits I have made are 'factual errors'. In fact, I am still doubtful over this Queensway tunnel issue. The mouth of the Queensway tunnel is nowhere near Wallasey - it is near Lairdside. I doubt a tunnel mouth found there would cause villages quite a way north of it to grow into each other. Which edits concern you as infactual? Edits since the 10th May are mainly transportation-related. You cannot seriously refute these edits as incorrect. Look at maps and history sites. James R 15:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok. If you're sure of your other edits, I'm not disputing them. I only called them into question because of your comment on the Queensway tunnel. I'm certain that the original editor was right about the Queensway tunnel, which is the only item I reverted. I think "nowhere near Wallasey" is a bit of an exaggeration. Is Heathrow near London? It's near enough. Slowmover 15:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem. It was a bit of an exaggeration; I was just stressing the point though. But if you're certain, I'm not going to argue. James R 20:13, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Districts

I've just made a big edit and have added an overview of all six townships. I've not said everything that needs to be said, so links to the relevant main articles have been provided. Personally, I thought a general overview of each township to give an impression of its appearance etc. on the main Wallasey page would be useful. I've been as honest as possible; let me know what you think! L1v3rp00l 19:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

A map outlining these districts would be immensely helpful (btw I'm from Liscard originally). -- Slowmover 20:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

As an old Wallaseyan but long absent, I'm getting more concerned about this page. There is a lot of history which should be included here but isn't (St Hilary's, Perch Rock, New Brighton as a Regency "new town", etc), some points which are just plain wrong (housing growth and coalescence between villages long predated the tunnel - and I grew up in an area which was indeed just "Wallasey", in between the centres of Liscard, W Village etc) or unbalanced (Ken Dodd OK, but what about the Beatles regularly appearing at the Floral Pavilion, and its history as a venue before that ?), and a lot of the recent edits about the six districts - while quite interesting - wouldn't stand up to an objectivity scrutiny (in wiki jargon they're very POV ). Unfortunately I don't have the sources to hand to make many of these changes and I'm reluctant to wade in too heavily, but I think the pages could really benefit from an input from someone with a bit of historical objectivity and detailed local knowledge. If not, I reserve the right to change the bits I do know a little about ! Ghmyrtle 21:44, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I take your point, but stand by all the points I have made in my last edit. I grew up in the town but simply do not have extensive historical knowledge to include the St Hilary's, Perch Rock history and so on. I've mentioned The Beatles performing at the Floral, but the purpose of the districts section of the article is to give the reader an impression of the area - the main article links give access to the full information. The point about the tunnel was not mine - and I have issues with it as well, but as you rightly say, we need an expert to assist. I also make no apology about the point one cannot live in just 'Wallasey' - postally, most of the districts are collectively known as just 'Wallasey', but there is a dividing line between Wallasey Village and Liscard. I lived in an area 'in between' the two centres for several years - officially, it was Liscard. I am certain it is correct - otherwise, I wouldn't have bothered mentioning it in the article. I want Wikipedia to have just as good an article on Wallasey as you do. P.S. I'll try and create a small map on Paint, Slowmover. I've lived in Liscard as well, but mainly the Village. L1v3rp00l 15:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Plenty of room for compromise here I hope. As you see I've made some changes today, and also want to make some more factual changes to the individual district pages. My personal view is that - apart from New Brighton, which is a place name known outside the area, and also Leasowe - the other districts (Village, Liscard, Poulton, Seacombe, Egremont) do not deserve separate pages on their own and would be better merged into the Wallasey page. I won't do that unilaterally, but I'd be grateful to know what others think. Ghmyrtle 21:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I like the edits to the history page which are excellent, but I can't understand how stating an area, for example Poulton as "not an affluent area" is POV. I call it fact - after all, you only have to check statistics to find crime rates, youth problems and so on and so forth are higher in this district (and Seacombe) than the other areas. The only reason I made these statements about elegance and affluence of the areas is to give the reader a good idea of the district as a whole. However, it's really not an urgent issue.

My main point is that several villages/hamlets in south Wallasey - namely Somerville, Poulton Lancelyn and Poulton-cum-Seacombe are not mentioned. I have a vague idea that these three grew into each other to form the seperate Seacombe and Poulton districts that we know today. Obviously, we need someone who knows more or who grew up in this area to shed some more light. I believe the old naming of these villages still exists to some extent - I noticed a few weeks ago a First bus in Birkenhead (I'm not a bus spotter or anything) reading something like "86. For Poulton Lancelyn", suggesting the name is not altogether dead. Similarly, the Somerville Medical Centre (now relocated to Gorsey Lane, Poulton) was situated in a small shopping street I believe was once Somerville. I haven't heard of Poulton-cum-Seacombe recently though - presumably it was situated in the borderline area between Seacombe and Poulton. Still, it's quite interesting and I'll try and find out more myself. L1v3rp00l 20:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake - Poulton Lancelyn is in Spital. I'm definite there were villages called Poulton-cum-Seacombe and Somerville though. L1v3rp00l 20:55, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Poulton and Seacombe were originally (pre-19th century) hamlets within Wallasey parish (as was Liscard), but at some point in the 19th century they may well have been separated out as a separate Poulton-cum-Seacombe parish - I don't have details. Somerville was an early 19th century development, I think, which could perhaps be classed as a hamlet - there were others as well, eg Hose Side. There are good old maps at http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ (search for Wallasey, etc) which provide a lot of information. Ghmyrtle 10:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info and link, Ghmytle! L1v3rp00l 18:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History section

Should we move the place-name detail into a new section, entitled "Etymology"??? --SunStar Net^talk 17:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)