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Off-Topic Discussions Archive 2 (Sep 2003 to Mar 2007)

1 "Something shameful to be hidden"
2 Picture update.
3 Scent?
4 Stolen image
5 TfD nomination of Template:Linkimage

[edit] "Something shameful to be hidden"

Western cultures have commonly viewed the vulva as something shameful to be hidden . . .

I wonder about the "shameful" aspect. Is it not rather an object of modesty -- as opposed to shame? I am not in any way ashamed of my sexual organs, but I'm very reluctant to show them to other people. I avoid group showers, for example.

sigh* perhaps an article on Modesty is in order?

In my opinion, yes it is. There is propensity in our society to view virtues as shameful, which seems inherently contradictory to me. As a witness to this, I note the almost violent reaction to teaching abstinence by a very vocal group in our society. Perhaps the 'popular' understanding of shame/freudian psychology is the source. I'm not sure.

Um, bullshit. 'Virtues' are relative. Just because you've been raised to believe in certain virtues doesn't mean anything else than that you have been raised to believe in certain virtues. Abstinence for the sake of abstinence (as in religously motivated) is insanity in my world. Sex is good, just play it safe.

Relativism is popular, not necessarily true. Does the fact that people behave differently discount any objective discussion of morals?

pardon me. but I don't even understand why we're talking about cultural stuff here. Yes. it's true that many cultures around the world think that vulvas should be hidden in public. However, I don't think somebody uploaded the photo to be immoral or offensive but posted it for people who visit this page to learn about it with clear and actual photo, which I think is necessary and helpful. This page isn't about morality or taboo but for human anatomy and it's good to have a photo for subject like this for better understanding it, I believe. davidmj926 16:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

excuse me...but WHY do you take pornographic pictures of woman's bodies and post it on the internet. in my opinion it's disgusting and shameful and personally i think you are criminals.You could be charged by police and i have saved the webpage so you better be careful. thank you.(Please go buy some morals)--Nasty Picture70.53.60.57 22:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Its perfectly legal to put a picture of a vulva on the Internet. And even if it were "pornography", well guess what...Internet pornography is perfectly legal too! Asarelah 17:19, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, first off, this is not pornography from my standpoint, but that's a fine point and I'll leave it alone. The real answer to you question is: this is an encyclopedia whose goal is to be a repository for human knowledge. That's "human knowledge", not "human knowledge that some particular subset of humans consider acceptable". If you have a picture that better illustrates the subject, please share it with us. -Harmil 05:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

lol --Huffers 02:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I wonder why did you come to this entry if you are so chastice ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.39.21.94 (talk • contribs) .

It's what every human female body basically has and the image is just for helping people to understand how it really looks, rather than just a simple drawing. This page is NOT like one of porn sites on the internet since while you're taking it pornographic, others just see it for INFORMATIONAL purpose. You're comment is just clueless and laughable. Police? How pathetic you aredavidmj926 16:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Sex is good, but don't go out and have sex with just anyone. If you are married, have sex with your wife/husband. Save sex for marrige. It'll get you good results. You may not even get divorced.

That may be your opinion, but that does not represent Wikipedia's idea of a Neutral Point of View. Laerwen 23:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

This is a page for vulva. not sex or marriage.davidmj926 16:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture update.

I replaced the second diagram with a drawn diagram taken from "The Vulvodynia Survival Guide" by Howard I. Glazer, Ph.D. I chose this picture over the other because, for the most obvious reasons, it's better detailed, less questionable, and far less offensive. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Massacabre (talk • contribs) 18:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC).

There was nothing "offensive" about the pictures. If you find these articles offensive either don't look them up in the first place, or please discuss your problems here on the talk page before blanking information. --Nigelj 22:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that there are photos on wikimedia commons under the section Female_genitalia that better show the vulva than the current picture. SophieRachel 17:34, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scent?

Should something perhaps be mentioned about the particular scent of vulvas? From my experience, it's pretty distinct. Do penises also have a certain smell? I dunno. I just thought I'd bring it up. CerealBabyMilk 02:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Jesus, this an encyclopedia, not a porn magazine.--Kamikaze 10:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I think there should be something on scent. No, penises dont useually have a smell like vulvas do. I also think the section should include vaginal discharge as from what I understand thease are related and also related to the menstral cycle, as the scent and colour/viscosity of vaginal discharge changes according to the different stages of the menstral cycle and can also indicate infections of the vulva. I dont understand the comment about porn magazine. SophieRachel 17:21, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I too don't understand how your only contributions are related to vagina or vulva. Probably someone eager to show they're supported ? --Kamikaze 17:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Anyways, just to be specific, I don't think the scent thing is notable enough to be included in an encyclopedia. It's sure not notable enough to be mentioned in medical studies on vulva.--Kamikaze 17:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Kamikaze, I only just started recentley, and I am a student with not much time, and I had to start somewhere, so I started helping here. youll see more of me in other places related to the body and health later when I have more time. SophieRachel 01:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stolen image

It would seem that the image "Sarahvulva crop.jpg", used in the article, might have been stolen from this amature porn site. see the post at Image talk:Sarahvulva crop.jpg#Possibility that the image was stolen for more information.151.203.184.11 20:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I've removed the image from the article. It shouldn't be hard to get a replacement photo. Robotman ¹⁹⁷⁴ 20:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

What about the various versions (labeled/unlabeled/cropped/uncropped) of the image that are still on the on the Wikimedia Commons? shouldn't they be deleted? 151.203.184.11 20:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

They certainly should, but that will have to be discussed on Wikimedia Commons. If there are any other articles here on Wikipedia that include those images, they should have the images taken out as well. Robotman ¹⁹⁷⁴ 21:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Do I get to say "I told you so" now? :-) Nandesuka 21:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

The fact that the image was probably stolen was broght up on the talk pages of several versions of the image at the Commons see here, but there has been no response...151.203.184.11 22:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm on it :) Speedy deletions at commons aren't all that speedy... patience please :). --SB_Johnny|^talk|_books 23:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)