Talk:Vukovar massacre

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[edit] "massacre"

I'm not disputing the accuracy of the content, as I don't know enough about it, but in general, the use of "massacre" in the title is generally avoided on WP, as it may be too suggestive.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:42, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Let me respond to both tags,

• Battle of Vukovar has been the victim of a great deal of vandalism. Because of that, I thought it would be easier to manage if this was in its own article. Besides, these killings were not explicitly part of the battle itself anyway.
• Second, I wouldn't mind changing the article's title. However, "Vukovar massacre" gives 58,100 Google results. A search of Wikipedia also provides many articles which are titled "X massacre". There is simply nothing else to name it, unless we were to make up something ourselves, which would hardly be right. --Thewanderer 15:35, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge into Ovčara?

I wrote the Ovčara article today, without being aware that this article deals with the same topic. Now I am not sure how to proceed. The location of Ovčara can possibly be relevant only for this massacre and for the prison camp. On the other hand, there were other massacres in Vukovar proper (Old Cemetery and Stadium mass graves). Therefore, I think the article about this massacre should be called "Ovčara", not "Vukovar massacre". Any thoughts on this? (P.S. I also made several redirects, see here.) --Zmaj 19:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

In general, I think that there should be one page about the Vukovar massacres even though it would describe several incidents, because they all have a common denominator - they all happened in the aftermath of the battle of Vukovar. The current pages could be merged into one, they are both fairly short.

There is a chance that someone will want to write up something general about Ovčara (it's a field used by Vupik, IIRC), but it's not likely. So Ovčara should definitely be one of the names (redirects) for the article about the massacres.

--Joy [shallot] 20:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, I will move Ovčara over here. This article's title should remain as it is or be just turned into plural. Blnguyen objected to the word "massacre" in the title, but I counted 134 Wikipedia articles with that word in the title, so it is obviously not unusual. --Zmaj 06:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

It was a precautionary comment. There are instances where people scream "massacre!" but an event isn't so. However, here we have a complete corroboration by the ICTY so there isn't any doubt, it just has to be explicated. --Joy [shallot]