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The result of the debate was No consensus. brenneman(t)(c) 00:32, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vegoose

Wikipedia is not a playbill. If something notable happens at this event, I'm sure we can add an article then. Denni☯ 23:50, 2005 August 28 (UTC)

  • Delete - if this becomes a regular event á la Ozzfest or Glastonbury Festival, then it can have an article. One-offs don't usually count. Rob Church Talk | Desk 23:53, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete unless this is already established as an annual event, and the article can be thoroughly reworked to reflect that. Paul Klenk 00:21, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Yes indeed, Vegoose is "slated to become an annual event in Las Vegas around Halloween", and "is expected to draw 50,000 music lovers". I gathered this information from this source. I've recently edited the article, and mentioned this. - R Lee E (talk, contribs) 01:05, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • ...is slated to become...is expected to... Then it's pure speculation, ennit? --Calton | Talk 04:05, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Actually "slated" means to schedule or designate, that sounds pretty confident to me. Also, what can they say? "There are definetly going to be 50,000 people there."? No, they can give you an estimate. It's not like theres gonna be 100 people, or 1000, even 10,000 people. I think we all know they'll be more... much more. At least common sense tells me that. - R Lee E (talk, contribs) 17:49, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - as creator of the article, a Las Vegas local, and a future attendant of this event, I vouge for its signifigance. This is guaranteed to be a major event, with attendance expected to be in the several tens of thousands. Operated by the same people who do bonnaroo, many of the most well known artists in the industry will be there. Here are some other music festival articles that seemed to have made the grade, and that also appear to me to be less notable than Vegoose: Hot_Springs_Music_Festival, Darwin_International_Guitar_Festival, Brecon Jazz Festival, Pyramid Rock Festival, Samstock Music Festival(600 attendants at most), Nova Rock Festival, Yggdrasil festival (this article was created feb. 9th, 2005, and has recently been improperly VFD'd), Northwest Region Music Festival, Wireless Festival. Needless to say, Vegoose will surpass all of the forementioned festivals. What I expect will happen if this gets deleted: following the event, the relevance will be realized, and it will wind up getting recreated anyways. - R Lee E (talk, contribs) 00:52, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
    • And when that happens, and not before, an article on it will be welcome. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:16, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Changing vote, see immediately blow. Non-notable, advertising, and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Can be re-created without prejudice when the event occurs and there is widespread press coverage or other clear evidence of notability. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:16, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Regarding your reference to Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, here is an excerpt, "planning or preparation for the event is already in progress and the preparation itself merits encyclopedic inclusion". Vegoose falls under this distinction. Also, this article was not intended to be an advertisment. I have nothing to gain from this. In fact I'll be losing a great deal of money attending the event ;*) And Vegoose will do well regardless of a wikipedia article, my intention was not to increase ticket sales. This event will undoubtely occur, and will be notable. Doesn't that make it notable now? - R Lee E (talk, contribs) 01:20, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
    • No. Produce a news article that says George W. Bush is planning to attend and I'll agree it's notable now. Heck, produce an article about it in the mainstream news media like The New York Times that says the rock world's eyes are directed on Las Vegas and I'll agree it's notable now. An assertion by R_Lee_E's that he knows the future and that it will be notable is not notable, unless R_Lee_E personally is notable, or a recognized authority. The future is not verifiable. Dpbsmith (talk) 03:02, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
    • P. S. Why on earth is it important to have the article in Wikipedia now? What's the problem with "userfying" it (moving it to a subpage of your personal user page) and then submitting the article again after the event has occurred? Quite likely there will be more to say about it then, and it will be a better article. Dpbsmith (talk) 03:04, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. (Changed vote). Borderline, but references provided by R Lee E below, specifically rolling stone and Billboard, convince me that the preparations for this festival are currently legitimate national news if only within the entertainment community; Rolling Stone and Billboard seem to take the upcoming event seriously and consider it to be of some importance Dpbsmith (talk) 18:11, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep. Redwolf24 (talk) 01:36, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Bring it back if the event happens, maybe. Stlemur 03:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Let me say, with no negative intention, I find this VFD rather ridiculous. Especially considering the articles I mentioned previously, and the excerpt I mentioned from WP:NOT. Only an act of god can prevent this event from occuring now, and although I can agree that the possibility exists, I think we can agree the possibility is rather remote. Same thing goes for 2008 Olympics. It will be a very notable music festival, I think thats obvious. Though considering the direction this VFD is heading, and being that its not much of a big deal to me, I am willing to retract my vote. Though we all know it'll be back in 30 days, and sheesh, I can't see it recieving a VFD then, unless it's just out of spite. ;) Thanks for your votes, you might as well delete it now. But my opinion stands, the delete votes this VFD recieved were rather ill-concieved and apparently submitted on a whim. - R Lee E (talk, contribs) 03:27, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • P.S. Might wanna check out some of those articles I mentioned, if this very notable music festival is being considered for VFD, I can envision the same for many of those articles. - R Lee E (talk, contribs) 03:27, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • P.S.S. Might it have been more appropriate to tag it with something similar to:
This article or section contains information about an upcoming sporting event.
It is likely to contain information of a speculative nature and the content may change dramatically as the event approaches and more information becomes available.
featured on 2008 Olympics? - R Lee E (talk, contribs) 03:37, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • keep - there is an article in rolling stone [[1]] and it does seem to be notable, since the line-up is so genre defying (an explination of the diversity deserves a special mention in the article). if concerts are in wikipedia, why not this one? certainly an event like this in LV with $50+ tickets is of some magnitude.
  • The above post was submitted by User:209.234.66.97. - R Lee E (talk, contribs) 04:07, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, not promotional vehicle, etc. --Calton | Talk 04:05, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • The vote above is what I mean by "submitted on a whim". - R Lee E (talk, contribs) 04:09, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Agree with first poster; one-off events should not count unless they prove to be notable (like, if Beck goes nuts and kills people) or once, in the future, they become regular events LadyClaudius 04:17, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
  • I created a new template, just for the heck of it. I updated the article to include it. - R Lee E (talk, contribs) 07:15, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
{{future music festival}}
    • Please give a reason why it is so important for this to be in Wikipedia now. Wikipedia articles are not news reports "Wikipedia does have many encyclopedia articles on topics of historical significance that are currently in the news." Time will tell whether Vegoose is a "topic of historical significance." Is it "currently in the news" on anything beyond a local level? Dpbsmith (talk) 14:09, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Here are several news articles about Vegoose that come from large reputable, non-local companies:

All of the above mentioned articles are not local to Las Vegas at all as far as I know, and they are very reputable companies. I specifically weeded those out of many, many other articles available about vegoose. While people invest hours of their time adding every single pokemon character, or every single obscure star wars character, or every single zatch bell! character to wikipedia, I'm trying to provide relevant info about a very notable music festival, expected to bring in many tens of thousands of people, and that will likely be an annual event for years to come. Thats why I think it's important now. I believe I've answered both of your questions. - R Lee E (talk, contribs) 17:41, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

    • OK. The second Rolling Stone reference (first isn't really about Vegoose at all, just mentions it as one of umpteen upcoming performances) plus the Billboard article is good enough for me. Changing my vote to "keep," as noted above. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:11, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete No matter how wonderful this may well be, it has not happened yet and it has not ever happened before. Why does R Lee E not understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not the entertainment section of the paper? We are in the business of writing about what is, not what will be. Denni☯ 18:09, 2005 August 29 (UTC)
  • NOTE: The above vote was submitted by the same user who created this VFD.- R Lee E (talk, contribs) 19:31, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • The references to Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball above state the criteria, and Vegoose falls under this criteria. I understand that wikipedia is an encyclopedia (thanks for demeaning me) BTW, you started this VFD didn't you? Doesn't that mean you've already submitted your default 'delete' vote? Is it nessecary, or allowed to vote twice? I may not understand the process fully, I apologize if I'm wrong. - R Lee E (talk, contribs) 18:21, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
    • Yep, you're wrong. My nomination does not constitute a vote, and is not counted as one in the final tally. If I want to cast a vote, I must do so explicitly. Often I do not vote on articles I bring to VfD; this time, I am. Denni☯ 00:50, 2005 August 31 (UTC)
  • Thanks. But is there something here that I'm not understanding correctly? > "Nominations imply a Delete vote unless the nominator specifically says otherwise." from Wikipedia:Guide_to_Votes_for_deletion#Nomination and possibly "When someone has listed an article for deletion on one of the lists, anyone ELSE may comment on the request." from Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Commenting_on_a_listing_for_deletion Sorry to keep this going, but I have never seen a nominator vote. I mean its not a huge deal to me whether this gets deleted or not, but I don't want it done illegitimately. Your comment for nomination at the top of this page, "Wikipedia is not a playbill. If something notable happens at this event, I'm sure we can add an article then. " sure seems to insinuate a delete vote. - R Lee E (talk, contribs) 08:39, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
  • Don't worry, the acting admin is not going to count it twice. Relax about it. I happen think Denni is mistaken about this, but it doesn't matter. It will be perfectly clear to any admin who closes this VfD that Denni's intention is to cast one vote for deletion.
  • Delete, crystal ball stuff. Methinks its supporters doth protest too much. Zoe 07:27, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
  • Theres nothing wrong with me trying to prevent my article from being deleted. Among the other countless tasks and chores I perform, I also like to keep tabs on my own work. I respect your vote to delete, I would hope you respect my wishes to keep. In regards to your only apparent objection to the article (crystal ball), it's been discussed, and in my opinion, shot down. - R Lee E (talk, contribs) 07:42, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Notable enough for me. Paul August ☎ 01:00, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
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