Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Democratic Ideals/Old

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The result of the debate was Deleted. If the person who rewrote it wants the context of the article, leave a message on my talk page. Hedley 01:19, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Democratic Ideals

Delete as original research, I suppose, and because I really don't understand the content's relation to its title. "better bad news" gets 220 unique Googles, and the particular website that appears to be in question has an Alexa traffic rank of 760,000 so even if its about the website, it's non-notable. -Splash 03:36, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

• Delete--DNicholls 03:39, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. no connection between content and title. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 04:09, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per above. Hamster Sandwich 05:56, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
• Rewritten This is a case of a redirect being deleted and then recreated as a junk article. According to google cache, this article was a redirect 158 days ago. Deletists take note - redirects may seem useless, but they are, in fact, a good way of place holding until some writes an article. Stirling Newberry 06:16, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
  • This article has never been a redirect. The redirect was, and still is, democratic ideals. Uncle G 12:44, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Just so you know, a more convenient way of seeing an article's deleted past is to go to Special:Log/Delete and searching for the page name. If the article was deleted with a "Content was '(blablabla)'" explanation, you can see what the page was. Alternately, the deleter may have summarised the content upon deleting. Garrett^Talk 13:20, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, useless. "Democratic ideals" are ideals which are claimed to be democratic. Unless there is evidence that this particular term has currency, we don't need an article under this title. Wile E. Heresiarch 07:34, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

The rewritten article cites at least one case where "Democratic ideals" is an official term for school state education standards. Stirling Newberry 14:14, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

• How about some sources for the rest of the article? It looks like original research to me unless it can be sourced. Quale 05:34, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

• Keep A Google search gives about 145,000 hits for democratic ideals. [1]. A Google Scholar search gives 3,110 hits [2], including numerous scholarly articles about the subject. Ultramarine 11:50, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Democratic ideals are, by definition, the principles on which a democratic society is based. Those are explained in full detail in the article on democracy. -- Mihnea Tudoreanu 13:54, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Which it should be noted the editor is engaged in a big edit war over. More over as the article points out, there is a distinction made between democratic ideals and democracy in practice, and, to topeverything off, democratic ideals often point to virtues such as pluralism and tolerence which are not necessarily part of democracy. Stirling Newberry 14:09, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

• Keep the re-write. Need some more work to be done, but it's a totally valid entry. Renata3 23:51, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, not a bad article, needs a bit more polish. Far better than having to wade through the edit wars on the Democracy entry to find anything useful - the Democracy article is basically in the same boat as the Evolution, Creation Science and George W. Bush articles. Both sides are entrenched, the Wiki is their battleground, and nothing short of death will cause them to surrender. Xaa 04:18, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

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