Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Caddo Parish Middle Magnet School

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Caddo Parish Middle Magnet School was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was CONSENSUS NOT REACHED

Apparently non-notable middle school. 60 google hits[1], no news hits. Article is poor, but inappropriately listed as a speedy. Cool Hand Luke 06:49, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I moved relevant info to Shreveport, Louisiana. IF thename is unique enough, maybe redirect? - Skysmith 09:24, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

• Delete: The name is surely unique, so a redirect would be ok. Otherwise, it's just a magnet school, although I'm sure it's fine. Geogre 12:33, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• keep: it ranks among the top schools of its kind in Louisiana. Posiduck 18:33, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Keep! A school! Intrigue 19:32, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

So? How many schools are there? Why not say, "Keep! A doughnut shop!" or "A used car lot?" Why is a school more important than a doughnut shop? Or isn't it? If not, you're not looking at Wikipedia, but, instead, Everything2. Geogre 20:09, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Schools are inherently important, people spend a large fraction of their life in them. Donut shops do not consume 7 hours * 5 days * 10 months * 14 years of a person's life. In fact, it can attract people to wikipedia when searching for their old school. As well, what if a school is torn down, where will people go for information on it, or alumni information? Wikipedia is not paper, there is NO harm in having this article. --ShaunMacPherson 20:58, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Why are the schools any more inherently important than the teachers and administrators who work there? If you really believe that they're important, then give us detailed articles about the lives of all of the teachers, principals, deans, etc. After all, the school is just a colleciton of buildings -- it's the people in the schools that are inherently important, right? So, why aren't we being deluged with articles on Miss Florence who taught eighth grade algebra? RickK 22:41, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)

That would be "7 hours / 24 hours * 5 days / 7 days * 10 months / 12 months * 14 years". Guanaco 22:48, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Delete. Wikipedia is not paper, but Wikipedia is also not a junkyard. Not notable, not encyclopedic. --Improv 04:18, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Saying that there is no harm is not the same thing as saying there is a need. So, on the subject of need, it seems like one possibility is for research and the other is to garner new users. On the first of these, it's simply not true. When I have sought out information on 17th century schools, I have gone to county and shire records. I have looked for parish registers. I know these will be verifiable, and it was their job to record those things. Similarly, anyone seeking information on an old school in the US, in particular, will do very well to look at county and city records (if public) and incorporation records (if non- or for-profit). They don't need us to do it, and the job we could do in any case is inferior to that that must be done by official records. As for gathering new users, having one's vanity stroked by finding the old school house might well do it, but not finding it gives one a reason to create a full and complete article, or to add the information to the town's article (better). Perhaps the Famous Mike's Donut Shop would stroke that vanity, too, because the new user actually liked the donut shop. People are influenced by their schools to varying degrees, and there is no way to say that a school is necessarily an influence on a community or a person, given uniform education in the public sphere. Once it was the case that this school or that had some special type of student it turned out. Such is still the case with universities, but public schools, in particular, are molded in factories and are less individual than donut shops. Geogre 00:30, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

• Keep. Round-and-round we go. -- Radman1 20:14, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. This is a school I would actually be willing to keep if it were proven to be notable (having the best test scores of middle schools in a state for one single year does not count), but until actual notability is established, I must procede as I have in other school articles. Geogre is right; if we list schools just because they exist, we are opening ourselves up to listing every business that exists or has previously existed in every little town and village in the whole world. Even if some find this slippery slope arguement hard to swallow, it still means at the very least opening wikipedia up to tens of thousands of articles on schools that have absolutely no significance. Indrian 20:56, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)
  • I'd be willing to keep any school that's shown to be notable, and I have pretty low standards for notability. I can't figure out why this middle school article is attracting so much debate. Cool Hand Luke 03:41, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Schools are inherently important institutions where young people have spend a large fraction of their life. Allow this stub to grow, wikipedia is not paper. --ShaunMacPherson 20:58, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Look Shaun, there are many people and places that influence a young person's life. Many upstanding citizens of today were influenced by their parents (in other words, having an article on their home address and describing what their house and family life was like), ministers (having an article on every single church in the country), youth groups (having an article on every single community center), sports activities (having an article on every single sports field or recreational center), or scouts (having an article on every single scout troop in the country), just to name a few things that fit your rather loose definition. We are probably talking well over one hundred thousand articles on what amounts to minutae, and that is just for the United States. At some point, what is really important in human history gets lost in the noise. I am not dismissing school articles out of hand: there are plenty, perhaps even hundreds, worth keeping, but being a school is not intrinsically important. If a school has achieved local notability, I have absolutely no problems with a few sentences about a school being included on the page for that community. If it is nationally or internationally known, it can have its own page. However, this all-encompassing notion that schools are inherently important seems a bit of a stretch. Indrian 21:06, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable. RickK 23:54, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)
• Let's see. Just in California, there are some eight thousand public schools. This would extrapolate to something on the order of eighty thousand public schools in the US. Add India and the UK and Canada, and add private schools, and you're probably talking well over a quarter million schools just in the UK and the former colonies. No, I don't think schools are ipso facto notable. delete. --jpgordon{gab} 00:34, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Mark Richards 00:49, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Delete, schools are not in and of themselves notable or encyclopedic. -Vina 01:08, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Magnet school. anthony 警告 01:19, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable school. Nadavspi | talk 01:20, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• D Schools are not inherently notable. Schols are not notable simply because they are schools. Schools have to be different, or actually do something first. Chris 03:05, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Delete unless corroboration provided. There are simply far too many schools in the world to say that something is unique just for being a school. It needs more evidence of notability - merely stating it ranked first in Louisiana in its category for one year doesn't quite do it. Average Earthman 09:23, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to Shreveport, Louisiana. Johnleemk | Talk 10:23, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to Shreveport, Louisiana. I like the idea of adding a Schools section to town and city articles. The Steve 19:39, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)
  • I have absolutely NO problem with that, so long as the information is kept NPOV. RickK 23:00, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)
    • I have no problem with that solution either, at least until such time as the section on this school overwhelms the parent article. anthony 警告 20:46, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
      • Well, hey, let's do it, then. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 02:52, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC) P. S. I see Skysmith already did the merge. I've tweaked it and put the #REDIRECT in place. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 03:04, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• I could be convinced otherwise, but I say delete. Even a magnet middle school is not especially notable. If, say, the school were consistently ranked best in the state (which this article doesn't say, but doesn't rule out either) then maybe... Isomorphic 21:21, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Delete But encourage users to create them on a school district basis. PPGMD 23:03, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Keep - a school! Trollminator 00:12, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Keep: Allow for the attempt to point out what is notable, I'm sure something about CMM is. — Florescentbulb 02:32, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Sock puppet. RickK 19:00, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)

  I don't think so in this case. This looks like an anonymous user who decided to create an account to participate in VfD. Guanaco 22:45, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

  Like I said. Sock puppet. RickK 05:43, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC)

  Well no, but thanks for the thought. Florescentbulb 04:06, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Keep: Nothing is gained by deleting this. L33tminion 18:20, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. This school is not notable. -- WOT 01:10, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Keep as usual. Guanaco 22:45, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)'
• Merge and redirect to Shreveport, Louisiana. I welcome an opportunity to agree with both RickK anthony 警告. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 03:00, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable.--[[User:Plato|Comrade Nick @)---^--]] 06:01, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Keep - David Gerard 12:36, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Keep, most schools have the potential to yield encyclopedic articles —siroχo 01:45, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)

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