Talk:Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 16/3/2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

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[edit] See also links

There are an awful lot of "see also" links in this article. I can't (at first glance) tell their connection to the article. Can anyone explain? -- Tetraminoe 11:43, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

7he homepage of the site covers these topics; do to the choice of voluntary genocide regarding religion and so on. There is no real need to keep most of them. Personally I think the enforcement regulation of China’s “one child” law would prove more useful rather than the voluntary relinquish of valuable genetic evolutionary growth. You have to have to have a reasonable level of uncorrupted mutation (function with out needing pills) and earn the right to breed. Plus artificial insemination would solve problems when one parent is unfit to breed. I think that would have a stronger impact toward the goal rather than the current voluntary system. MajinPalgen 13:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

  • I removed them all except "childfree" although there might be other relevant ones that weren't on the list. -- Blorg 14:46, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abstinence?

Can someone show mere where VHEMT recommends abstinence? Not breeding is different then not having sex, and I am sure the VHEMT people recognize and acknoledge this. Jdufresne 20:53, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, they don't recommend abstinence. --AnonBob
They don't seem to recommend it but they don't seem to deny it either. On the VHEMT homepage FAQ the question "Do we have to stop having sex?" is listed but the answer is fairly ambiguous and we are never given a "yes" or "no". - Xvall

On this page [1] is "We should "quit screwing around" when it comes to contraceptives, but we sure don't have to quit screwing to quit breeding as the headline might imply." No, VHEMT isn't for abstinence, or at least Les Knight isn't. And because I can't be fucked logging in, and because I am adding an external link, I have to put in some weird word ("ninthshife" I think and now "swungargue").

[edit] NPOV

I've added a NPOV tag to this page... mainly because of this sentance: "Indeed, this suggests that he promotes the sterilization of young children in his zeal to help the environment." ...but there are several more examples, including some minor issues with the way things are worded. --TeN 18:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The first word is "Voluntary". Forced sterilization wouldn't fit under this description, so I doubt very much that they are advocating this in any way. --AnonBob

[edit] "Organization"

I've noticed a lot of instances of the word "organization." Be careful with this word. VHEMT claims to be a movement and never claims to be an organization. I have corrected this in the article. For more of an explaination see the vhemt website. Jdufresne 01:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] npov issues in general

This article reads like a promo shot for the place. Remarks about posting at the website if you think you've a valid reason, reminding users to note the first word is voluntary, etc. That needs to be changed around a bit. --r. 07:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Attempted to correct this by rewording the article to refer only to the website with NPOV. Things get too confusing otherwise. It seems to me that there is definitely some level of organization to VHEMT ('it' makes presentations and is represented on television programs) but adherents contend otherwise. I also removed what seemed to be non-encyclopedic commentary and speculation. Icenine0 05:41, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Keep this article NPOV

Please feel free to add information to this article, but remember to adhere to the Wikipedia guidelines and keep things "encyclopedic." Commentary and direct suggestions to the reader are discouraged. Icenine0 19:31, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is VHEMT really just a website?

This article states that VHEMT is a website. From the opening sentence Voluntary Human Extinction Movement, or VHEMT ("vehement"), is a website that calls for the voluntary extinction of the human race. (Emphasis mine) Is this all VHEMT really is? I think this is selling VHEMT a bit short. Shouldn't we call it a "movement"? I would change it myself but some people seem to think this article is POV, so I'll run it by other people before making a change. Jdufresne 23:17, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

There was some discussion here earlier about calling VHEMT an organization, which it apparently isn't. People were calling it a concept, but, in that case, it was unwieldy to make comments about VHEMT the website, its owner, and any of its actions. Lastly, "movement" is usually either applied retroactively -- where a historian recognizes a broad-ranging trend -- or, presently, where a significant group of people organize (make an organization) for a common effort.
Whatever VHEMT is, it's definitely a website, so that's what I ended up sticking with as most appropriate. Icenine0 00:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Advertisement

Wikipedia is the only way these individuals are known to the world. Seriously.

Not true, I found them through the Darwin Awards. Seriously.

I also found them through Wikipedia. Maybe we are advertising their site too much for free? --Taraborn 22:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

Hallo Joyous! I have a question about your message: You ask me not to add inappropriate external links to wikipedia. When I compare the 2 links I added to other existing external links on certain webpages, I see that the 'appropriate' links (i.e the ones you leave alone), are also links to external -third party- organisations, such as our European organisation (STHOPD) is too. Our non-profit organisation works with volunteers and stands for certain principles which are similar to the 'appropriate' organisations on the webpages concerned, such as: Decreasing human overpopulation in an ethical way, having no children, warnings about the worldwide consequences of overpopulation such as the destruction of ecosystems. Please explain to me what would make our links appropriate. Friendly regards, 213.84.166.83 18:23, 21 January 2007 (UTC) MetaMouse.

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