Talk:Volkswagen Type 2

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[edit] What the page still needs:

  • Someone should have look over all the facts and dates, because I'm not that deep in Type 2... done
  • Non-German external links done
  • Some more details on differences between T1a and T1b done

--XTaran | Talk 19:22, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Do we need the kW values?

I'm not entirely happy with Bobblewik's kW conversions. It's a good idea in general, BUT: the hp values that were given in the article were SAE horsepower, which don't convert all that nicely to Kilowatts.

For instance, the 1200 cc Bug engine is referred to as a "40 hp engine" by Americans, while in Germany it has 34 (DIN) hp. Those 34 DIN hp convert to 25 kW. If you now convert the 40 hp to kW, you end up with a kW value no-one uses for that engine.

[edit] Possible Solutions

  • Get rid of the kW values ...
    • and add the DIN hp: "the 40 hp (34 DIN hp) engine"
    • and leave out the DIN hp: "the 40 hp engine" (as it was originally)
  • Retain the kW values ...
    • but have them refer to DIN hp instead: "the 40 hp (34 DIN hp/25 kW) engine"

Personally, I'd prefer the first option. No-one talks about aircooled VW engines in Kilowatts anyway. This is not about comparing performance to a new BMW, it is about identifying an old engine. The less confusion, the better.

Ermel 09:12, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Well, one positive thing, the kilowatts have, is that younger european people probably better can imagine how powerful an engine is (not :-), if there is written 25kw instead of 36hp. But due to the US still not using kilowatts it's nearly senseless to convert there SAE hp to kilowatts. If kilowatts should be mentioned because of younger people can't imagine horsepowers, it should be the DIN hp to be converted. But if we do this, we have SAE hp, the DIN hp and the DIN kw, so we have three power values which would probably confuse much more people than helping others.

My suggestion: Use at maximum 2 values (preferably SAE hp and DIN hp to stay international) in the text and add a table at the end of document which lists all values mentioned before, together with the DIN kw values and perhaps also British hp values (which AFAIK differ from DIN hp a little bit), too. --XTaran | Talk 09:50, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I added DIN hp now, and re-calculated the kW from them. However, I don't know all the SAE horsepower values. Rather than calculate them (and, according to Murphy's Law, mis-calculate them), I'd have some US Volkswagen enthusiast who knows their VW history add them. All they would need to do is replace every instance of "xx DIN hp (yy kW)" with "zz horsepower (xx DIN hp/yy kW).

The reason I don't do this myself is that when I make a mistake, the resulting information is just as confusing for US readers as their "36 hp engine" is to German ones. Therefore I'd rather that someone do this who know what they are doing.

Ermel 12:35, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Oh, I also moved the T4/T5 stuff to its own page, VW Eurovan.

Ermel 12:38, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Title does not seem to match content

The title is VW Type 2, but the article seems to be about VW Types 1,2 and 3 and some front engined types. Very confusing. Should the article be perhaps renamed VW Transporter (currently a redirect here) and VW Type 2 redirected there?. -- Chris j wood 20:07, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

What's confusing is naming the generations T1, T2, T3, T4..., while naming the different models Type 1, Type 2, Type 3... If I understand this correctely VW Type 2, is the VW Transporter of generation T1 and T2.
Does anybody knows what the T, in the generation names stand for?
/boivie, 8 Aug 2005
Well, I suggest this page being moved back to VW Type 2 because that's the main focus of this article. The T3 has its own page Vanagon, and the T4 has VW Eurovan.
VW Transporter should be a disambiguation page. --Boivie 13:16, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

I take the T in T1,T2,T3,T4 as Transporter. They are all subtypes of Type 2. One could think of them as Type 2.1, Type 2.2, Type 2.3, Type 2.4. They in no way refer to the Type 1, Type 3, Type 4, or various Audi/NSU related vehicles (Rabbit/Golf, Scirocco, Dasher, etc)—which are mentioned, but only glancingly. —überRegenbogen 04:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] VW Bomb?

I recently heard (on CBC)that one of the earlier models often had trouble with the fuel lines and sometimes even exploded. Can anyone tell me which one? Auric The Rad 04:04, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

Any 30-year-old vehicle is going to have brittle rubber fuel lines which will lead to engine fires. VW buses are no exception. The only difference with VWs is that they tend to last a lot longer than other vehicles, so their lines have a chance to deteriorate.
One possible source of mayhem is that the fuel tank is a fair bit higher than the fuel pump. A leaking tank to pump line could result in a lot of fuel introduced onto a hot engine. Indeed, to prevent flooding while the engine was stopped, our '63 Combi (1500cc) had an electric main jet.
LorenzoB 06:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
The fuel cutoff valve is a standard feature on all stock VW carburetors (including the water-cooled models, if i'm not mistaken). Its purpose is to prevent dieseling—not drainage (which the float-valve will otherwise deal with, if not faulty). (Many 3rd party carburetors (including those horribly unelegant Holley contraptions that people put on because they can't handle tuning the dual Solex carbs on the Type 4 engines) do not have a fuel cutoff valve.) —überRegenbogen 04:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for references

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[edit] Page Move

I've requested this page be moved to Volkswagen Type 2 as "VW" is an abbreviation/stylized logo, not the name of the company or the car.Gateman1997 19:46, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Brazilian Transporters

Although the article has emphasized on all four generations (European production), there should be a secondary reference for Transporters produced in Mexico, Brazil, and South Africa - especially pics of the non-German built T2s. VintageBus.com has several pics of the "T1.5" (pre-1967 bodyshell with a Bay Window nose and front doors) submitted by Brazilian nationals, and the Mexican model which featured a watercooled inline 4 sourced from VW/Audi.

[edit] Kombi type van in Command & Conquer: Generals

A in-game buildable unit in Command & Conquer: Generals, the GLA Radar Van, looks very much like a VW Kombi, both in-game and in the menu build option photo. Does anyone have any info on this, if relevant, perhaps a section on Trivia for this article?

Cheers! Tanyiliang 16:44, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] will the flower power microbus succeed after the new beetle of volkswagen

--202.62.228.126 15:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)kkkk

[edit] Bug/Van combo

I have seen combinations, where a bug's upper portion was incorporated into the roof of the van, giving it a "cupola". Is this a common customization, or very rare? GBC 21:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Pretty rare I would say, only seen pics on thesamba.com. You'd run into centre-of-gravity and clearance issues. It'd be very impractical. ~ c. tales *talk* 13:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
    • I used to see some Type 1/Type 2 combos that were Type 1s cut off just behind the rear door posts and with the last segment of a Type 2 body welded on. Whogue 08:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
    • The top of a Type 3 Squareback would fit more gracefully atop a Bus. —überRegenbogen 05:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] linkspam?

The external links section has gotten quite large. Could someone familiar with the Type 2 check them as I don't have time to? Thanks, ~ c. tales *talk* 13:14, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Most look OK, though there seems to be some duplication between the Communities and External Links section. Should communities already linked in the Communities section be removed from the external links section, or should the communities section be merged with the external links section?

I cleaned up some of the more obvious "advertising hype" and removed inconsistant bolding.

  • I removed a full section of external links, we don't need to link to every group talking about VW. The external links section is just too big, reduce it to 10 or less before removing the {{external links}} tag, please. -- ReyBrujo 16:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pop culture

The section has become a basic list and adds no value or information to the articles topic. The section was added without discussion so I'm going to remove it. If anyone objects, rv the change and lets hammer out the details. Pop culture is not a list of films, video, etc. so if the section is to stay it should contain encyclopedic content.--I already forgot 21:06, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Magic Bus?

"The Who's "Magic Bus" is said to be about this vehicle."

This doesn't jive at all. Magic Bus is obviously about a transit coach: "Every day i stand in the queue, to get on the bus that takes me to you." —überRegenbogen 05:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

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