Talk:Voiceless postalveolar fricative
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[edit] š
The croatian sound š iz listed on this page, but it seems to me that is actually a Voiceless retroflex fricative. Any ideas?
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I have heard somewhere that there is a wordplay with spelling the word "Fish" as "Ghote" (hence Inspector Ghote). I can easily remember the first two sounds: "Gh" sounds as "F" in "laugh", and "o" sounds as "i" in "women", but I cannot for my life remember what constitutes the spelling of "te" as sounding as "sh". Can somebody help me? --83.248.174.108 09:50, 31 May 2005 (UTC) (User Hannibal from Swedish Wikipedia)
- It's ghoti and the ti comes from the -tion ending as in destination, nation, documentation, etc. [1]. No apparent relationship to Inspector Ghote. Nohat 17:32, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
I am far from being a phonetician, so I don't feel comfortable editing this article, but I feel like in the examples section (shoe, passion, and caution), the phoneme in passion is indicated by the letters ssi, as opposed to just the letters ss. Passon would not be pronounced with the voiceless postalveolar fricative; pasion would almost certainly be pronounced with the voiced postalveolar fricative; the word passion seems to combine the ss digraph that softens the vowel (and removes the voice from the resulting sound) with the [consonant]+i digraph that appears in caution. Am I totally off base here?
As you suggest,the sh comes from the t in nation but the e is silent [ but does that make the short i in fish into a long i as in kite?] Marlon Munroe 05/03/06
[edit] Postalveolar vs. palato-alveolar
Should the languages with the voiceless alveolo-palatal fricative or voiceless retroflex fricative be removed from this list, thus reserving the page for a specifically palato-alveolar consonant? Or is this page about voiceless postalveolar fricatives in general, including alveolo-palatals and retroflexes? 74.8.91.57 20:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
