Talk:Violence in sports

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The page as it stood was fairly North-America centred, so I've added some European events. Average Earthman 22:59, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The list of events needs cleaning up - we are ending up with a list of fan violence events, and a list of 'notable events'. I'm not sure some of the notable events are that notable - not to be rude, but is a fight in Puerto Rican basketball or baseball that significant? Average Earthman 09:41, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

    • OK, no-one has commented, so I deleted the Puerto Rican references, as I honestly couldn't see from the descriptions why they were notable outside of Puerto Rico. In contrast, the events at, say, the Tour de France, English Premier League and Major League Baseball made news worldwide. Average Earthman 14:07, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • They were notable to four million souls!! Even Phil Jackson commented about it, saying something like "The NBA isnt Puerto Rico's national basketball league, we dont expect fans to act like animals" or something like that.

"Antonio Puerto Rico matters Martin"

      • Sorry, but Puerto Rico isn't irrelevant, but neither is it more relevant than Greece, Norway, Ireland, Argentina, Australia, etc. etc. If we allow any local bit of violence in, the eventual article will be several pages long. If you want this violence listed, I'd suggest you create a separate article , list of acts of violence in sports perhaps. But the main article should only have a highlight of the most notable. At the moment, it is very US sports heavy, and we shouldn't be trying to balance things by packing them to the seams. I'm not interested in starting an edit war, but I would like some other opinions on the matter.

What I will say is that, if people insist on adding the Rodman bit (why is this that significant anyway?), can they at least format it right? Average Earthman 13:08, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Notable

The list of notable events is lacking at the moment - to be blunt, I've seen no evidence that the brawls in Puerto Rico are of international note, and the two brawls noted in the US in basketball and baseball are merely noted as 'brawls' - unless someone can flesh out the details (did these brawls inspire a change in the laws? Long term suspensions of notable players?) then I'd propose cutting them out as well. If no one comments in the next fortnight, I'll trim these four events. Average Earthman 13:39, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] This article is sickening in its moralistic overtones

I really don't understand why it must be presumed that violence and aggression is abnormal or wrong. Only in this modern world where we have banished the gods of war could anyone think that the desire to fight is an abnormal masculine trait.

Blood lust is no different than sexual lust. Passion is neither good nor evil. We have evolved to be warriors and hunters. Because these instincts are undesirable in our docilie, feminized civilization does not mean they do not exist. Try as you might, human nature will be with us forever.

  1. don't know who wrote above... seem to be suffering from people not posting their names... Testosterone is noted as a reason for violence, which is not proven-. what is "Intermittent explosive disorder"? I got here through Sportsmanship and find that the link while existent is not necessarily strong. Dwarf Kirlston 20:15, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Intermittent explosive disorder is a personality disorder where a person has frequent and, in many cases, unpredictable outbursts of extreme anger or physical violence, but no signs in between episodes. The citation was included when I created this article, but that was some time ago and people have moved things around, perhaps orphaning this reference. --Westendgirl 06:21, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What About Baseball?

As usual, there is an anti-hockey bias. What about all the brawls we've seen in baseball over the years? Not a single mention, even though they far outnumber hockey brawling 3:1.24.64.223.203 05:04, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm not against hockey, but I don't think that's what you meant by "anti-hockey". I have nothing against baseball. However, when I started this article, I was writing the piece on violence in ice hockey. Actually, I was originally writing about Billy Coutu's violent streak. Wiki being what is is, I assumed others (you?) would round out the article. Please feel free to add baseball info!--Westendgirl 16:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
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