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- This article reads like a propaganda piece more than it does an encyclopedia article. Fernando Rizo 04:57, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Wikification 2 repayment in kind 3 Engaging in productive activities 4 Born in the jungle 5 Military Philosophy and History 6 Naval Infantry or Marines 7 PAVN Army

[edit] Wikification

I'm going to start wikification; see what you think. --CDN99 01:51, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• Definitely a good start, CDN. I'll pitch in later on tonight. -Fernando Rizo 02:27, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

To: Fernando Rizo

If you thought this aricle was a propaganda piece, why didn't you edit it to make it more objective and factual?

Also, do you think the article about the US Army is also a propaganda piece? If not, what is the difference? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.0.80.64 (talk • contribs).

Anyone ele think there's a lot of pathos in that first paragraph? That it should only be a proper introduction and maybe some of that business about the mistakes in naming could be moved to another section? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.52.163.59 (talk • contribs).

I don't think so. It reads as pretty emotionally neutral to me, and corrects one of the most common misconceptions about the topic. I know I was looking for info on the Viet Cong when I came here, and I might have been seriously confused for quite some time if it hadn't been in the first paragraph. -Toptomcat 14:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] repayment in kind

Carrying out the activities of “repayment in kind” and assistance to comrades and the people

During the wars of national liberation and for the defense of the country, millions of Vietnamese cadres and soldiers of the Vietnamese People’s Army have died or left part of their flesh and blood on the battlefields. In line with the confucean moral philosophy “When drinking water, remember the source”, over the past decades, especially after the reunification of the country, the Vietnamese People’s Army has established special action teams which have climbed many mountains and crossed many rivers to all corners of the country and to some localities in Laos and Cambodia to search for and exhume the remains of our deceased soldiers and then relocate them to be buried in our country, meeting the aspirations of the relatives of the martyrs and lessening the pain caused by war. Being an army which is of the people, by the people and for the people, the Vietnamese People’s Army has always been loyal to the people. During the last years, together with the tasks of training and combat readiness, the Vietnamese People’s Army has been conducting the tasks of propagation and mobilization of the people aimed at successfully implementing the guidelines of the Party, abiding by the policies and laws of the Government and attaching importance to the building of an all-people’s national defense.

“When drinking water, remember the source"

Takima 00:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Engaging in productive activities

Over the past sixty years of fighting, building, and growing, the Vietnamese People’s Army has always attached importance to the tasks of engaging in productive labor and developing the national economy. Under the severe conditions of the past wars, units of the Armed Forces actively joined in productive labor, producing especially food, foodstuffs, and consumer goods in order to improve living standards and contribute to ensuring that they could fight and win. Under the conditions of peace, the Vietnamese People’s Army has determined that engaging in production and helping to develop the national economy are strategic tasks aimed at closely combining national defense and the economy and combining the economy with national defense, thus making a contribution to bringing the cause of industrialization and modernization to victory and firmly defending the socialist Motherland of Viet Nam. During the past years, besides carrying out the task of engaging in productive labor in order to improve living standards, the Vietnamese People’s Army has participated in economic development in many fields, namely industry, agriculture, forestry, fishing, transport, capital construction, and post and telecommunications, in which it has exerted much of its efforts in the construction of many important economic projects, such as the Hoa Binh hydroelectric power plant, the trans-Vietnam 500 KV power line, and the Ho Chi Minh Highway for the support of national industrialization and modernization.

Units of the Vietnamese People’s Army participating in economic development have become a mission force which performs difficult and arduous tasks in restoring and developing the national economy and in reclaiming land in remote areas, border areas, and on islands. The participation of the Vietnamese People’s Army in economic development has brought about concrete effects on socio-economic development and the consolidation of national defense and security and has contributed to the strengthening of the defense industry. Some joint economic-defense zones built by the armed forces have become archetypal models for the adjustment and rearrangement of population areas at the national level, especially in border areas and on islands. By utilizing used military technical equipment to meet in part the demands of national welfare and the people’s livelihood a wide range of products manufactured by national defense factories are of high quality and satisfy the needs of domestic consumption and export, contributing to the growth of the national economy and balancing the state budget earmarked for defense. From the efficient earnings generated by productive labor and economic development the living standards of the cadre and soldiers of the Vietnamese People’s Army have improved with each passing day. Through the effects of productive labor and economic development, the image of Uncle Ho’s soldiers in the forefront of national construction with the aim of building “a rich people, a strong country, and a civilized, democratic, and equitable society” has gone into the mind of the Vietnamese people.

Takima 01:25, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Born in the jungle

People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN) includes Ground Forces, Navy, and Air Force and Coast Guard. The 60th Anniversary of the Founding of Vietnamese People’s Army and the 15th Anniversary of All-People’s National Defense Day of Vietnam (December 22nd 1944 – December 22nd 2004) December 22nd 1944 has been taken to be Vietnamese People’s Army Day. It was the founding day of the “Armed Propaganda Unit of the Liberation Army”, the first regular force of the Revolution, under the directive of the late President Ho Chi Minh. http://vietcongfr.chez-alice.fr/images/timeline/general-vo-nguyen-giap-reviewing-troops-1951.jpg

Carrying on and heightening the military tradition of the nation, relying on the strength of the people and people’s war in Vietnam, and on the solidarity and assistance of friendly countries’ peoples and armies, the Vietnamese, undergoing the process of fighting and building up their strength at the same time, have grown from small to large units. The more it fights, the stronger it becomes, achieving ever-greater successes and growing stronger by leaps.

The fighting power of the Vietnamese People’s Army manifested in resistance wars against foreign aggressors has taken its source from politico-ideological consciousness, from the unanimity of objective and ideal being fought for, from the unity between the Army and the people and between officers and soldiers, from bravery and wisdom in fighting, and from creative dynamism in the use of weapons and technical equipment suitable to the Vietnamese military arts and the battleground. Since the country embarked upon a period of peace and construction, the Vietnamese People’s Army has continued to display its fine traditions and nature and has always faithfully fulfilled its function as an army ready for combat as well as for work and production worthy of the late President Ho Chi Minh’s praise:

• "[…] Our Army, loyal to the Party, pious to the people, and ready to fight and sacrifice their lives for the Homeland’s independence and freedom, for socialism, will fulfill any task, cross over any difficulty, and defeat any enemy”. http://www.country-data.com/frd/cs/vietnam/vn05_02a.jpg

Takima 14:57, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military Philosophy and History

Go to the French Text I've put. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arm%C3%A9e_Populaire_Vietnamienne.

Takima 17:16, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naval Infantry or Marines

What is the current Vietnamese/VPA term for "naval infantry"? There is a space that needs to be translated in the terminology of ranks on the page. The armed forces of the former South Vietnam (ARVN) had the term "thuy quan luc chien" for their "marines", but I doubt the VPA uses that term for their present equivalent. Le Anh-Huy 03:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the VPA has no marine corp.Hawkie 19:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

The Vietnam People's Navy does have naval infantry (marines) equipped with BTR-60, PT-76 and other weapons manufactured in Vietnam. They are stationed in the Truong Sa Islands. I'll add more pictures in the Vietnam People's Navy page real soon.Canpark 15:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I think they call these soldiers "đặc công nước", which means "naval commando" I guess.Hawkie 05:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PAVN Army

I think the PAVN article should be deleted instead, its information are irrelevantCanpark 03:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)