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[edit] Crime

Hmmm... just a thought as a pass through. The points about Victoria's crime statistics could be misleading. The City of Victoria is a relatively small center which serves as "downtown" for the larger Capital Regional District. Thus, crimes/100,000 should more realistically be measured against the population of the CRD as a whole. There are about a dozen municipalities which contribute significant traffic (and presumably crime) to Victoria's downtown.

liberator 11/27/04: yeah, that's correct. i believe there was an article in the TC regarding that some time last year that could be cited, too.

also: the inner harbour seems to be holding a monopoly over pictures used in this article, surely there could be some other areas of victoria that could be used as imagery?

[edit] Secondary schools?

While I can kind of see why somebody put a list of high schools in Victoria on the main page, is it really necessary to provide information like the addresses? Last I checked, Wikipedia wasn't a phone book; besides, places like UVic and Camosun are far more interesting :^D

Also: . . . uh, Weed School? Is that a joke?

Besides, a bunch of these places aren't even in Victoria. Av 20:55, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Hmm, I agree. Also, we should look at how Melbourne articles are arranged. So what would be here would actually by Greater Victoria and then Victoria would move to City of Victoria. Burgundavia 21:44, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
    • I'm thinking of rewriting this article to make it about Victoria proper, and moving everything else into the Greater Victoria, British Columbia article. I've already added a notice at the top of the page to clarify the difference. Av 20:32, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • I disagree with that. Wikipedia follows what people call it. Victoria is more than just the City of Victoria. Thus Greater Victoria should be here and this should be at City of Victoria. Burgundavia 20:46, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
        • True, but general convention seems to be that the main article refers to the city proper. For example, the name "Vancouver" is used to refer to greater Vancouver in the same manner, but the Vancouver writeup describes the city of Vancouver proper. Av 03:04, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC) 
It may be usefull to note that the "City" of Victoria,distinct from "Greater" Victoria, has a population of 74,125,an area of 19.68 sq.km,and it's density is 3765 per sq km.Thanks.{2001 stats can figures}

[edit] racism in victoria

anyone know what the racism scene is in victoria?

What's a racism scene? Does racism exist in Victoria? Yeah, though I'm a white guy so my experience with people being racist at me is limited. I don't think there's a local KKK chapter or anything, though. Lord Bob 03:20, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • I don't want to be the typical message-board poster here, but I'm not sure you can gauge racism like that, either 'yeah, they're pretty racist' or 'we love minorities' or whatever. There's so many faucets to racism it's hard to categorize. In response though, I'd say that I think Victoria is a pretty liberal, progressive city. Every town isn't without its big fat jerks though. And Langford's pretty bad, I think.

ive read about racism in vancouver and wasnt sure what it was like in victoria. i also spotted several instances of racism in discovervancouver.com forums.

Victoria is mostly white, and mostly kind of stuffy I guess. So there definitely is racism going on here. But it depends on who you're hanging out with. A lot of people in western canada have a thing against french canadians, and that's definitely true of a lot of people in Victoria. There's also a lot of chinese people here, and some people have a bit of racism against them, but very few. There are so few black people in Victoria that I imagine anybody of african heritage would probably feel a bit strange here, just because of the looks. Not necessarily racism, but just kind of "wow" ...for myself, whenever I got to vancouver or seattle, I'm like "oh yeah... african people exist... they're really dark..." A Great White Bird 20:16, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Mostly white? I supposee, but there are alot of asians here, alot. We have the oldest Chinatown in Canada. There are not many black people here, my wife is from Kenya and while she feels uncommon here she is treated well. As for the french canadians, they are teased, but in good humour and they tease back(alot like sibings teasing each other). This is my perspective on Victoria. HighInBC 13:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


And I think the Satanism scene would be far more interesting and "unique".....and not just because of Brother Twelve, There's a lot of neo-paganism in Victoria, too, and other than the late Robin Skelton it goes back to the Reincarnation of Isis and, apocryphally, Judge Begbie. Victoria is supposedly ranked among the top three locations for the unspeakable, after London and Geneva....Skookum1 08:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, let me clear this up. the satanism rumour about victoria started way back with an article saying we had more satanist per capita than any other city. However it was a nonsense study as any non-mainstream religeon was lumped into satansim. In other words any sort of paganism earth worship, or creativity in religeon. HighInBC 13:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
No, what I'm talking about predates the neo-pagan revival and the presence of alt-cults like Brother XII and any spinoff from Wicca (including Robin Skelton) and acolytes/followers of Anton LaVey; what I'm talking about dates back before WWII and is spoken of darkly by the cocktail crowd; crypts broken into in Ross Bay, mysterious rites in the woods around Mt Work; supposedly Victoria was ranked among the top three satanic-cult cities in the world, after London and Geneva, and ahead of Prague. Only hearsay though, because you won't find the Colonist writing about it....Skookum1 00:14, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Ohhhh, that thing... hehehe HighInBC 14:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Victoria is mostly white, and mostly kind of stuffy I guess. So there definitely is racism going on here.

So you're saying any city that is all or mostly-white is automatically racist? or are you saying white people are all by nature racist and any city with a sizable number of them is bound to be an atmosphere of racism? That in itself could be considered a racist comment. --Nazrac 05:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

You're responding to comments made a year and a half ago. It doesn't look like that user has contributed to wikipedia since. - TheMightyQuill 18:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neighbourhoods of Victoria

I think this section is pretty misleading. Many of these "neighbourhoods" are actually their own municipalities. I will try and reorganize into "Communities of Greater Victoria" and sub-divide. However, I'm not 100% on some of the neighbourhoods. -- Webgeer 07:15, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Communities of Greater Victoria should be moved from this article, which is about the Municipality of Victoria proper, to the Greater Victoria or Capital Regional District pages (why do we need two, anyway)? Any thoughts on this suggestion? Fishhead64 07:42, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Oak Bay is a separate municipality (currently celebrating the centennial of its incorporation) rather than a neighbourhood of Victoria. Assuming the section is meant to include only sub-areas of Victoria City proper, I will change the reference to 'Oak Bay Border' which is sometimes spoken of as a neighbourhood distinct from Fairfield.

[edit] Victoria versus Greater Victoria

A number of the neighbourhoods (see above), schools, recreational facilities, etc. that are listed as being in Victoria are actually in the neighbouring munisipalities. Do other folks find this misleading or confusing? If you check out Vancouver's article, you don't see conflations with Burnaby, Richmond, New Westminster, or other neighbouring municipalities. Fishhead64 07:45, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Since I haven't heard anything about my proposal, I've removed Greater Victoria references and incorporated them into the article on Greater Victoria. Like other cities in Canada, the convention is that municipal articles focus on the municipality. Obviously, the municipalities of the CRD are pretty integrated, and I've left in references to notable sites, neighbourhoods, and institutions in the region - but since we have a Greater Victoria article, I can't see why we should muddy the waters on this page. Fishhead64 06:12, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Altitude?

The infobox gives 23 metres as the city's elevation. Where's that measured? City Hall doesn't seem that high, and Beacon Hill is higher at 42m.Skookum1 07:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oregon Country cat because of Fort Victoria

Which isn't this page's problem so I removed the cat after placing it, once I noticed that Fort Victoria redirects here; it needs its own article, unless there's a History of Victoria article as there is with History of Vancouver and History of British Columbia.Skookum1 06:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Tis a complicated land with a rich history we live in. I learned something new today. HighInBC 13:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Further to this, which is from a while ago, still pending a History of Victoria article or Fort Victoria article; links to Fort Victoria currently redirect here, also Fort Camosun etc. Fishhead64 or other VancIsl Wikipedians pls note.Skookum1 21:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

I am going out to replace the image of the parliment buildings(The one near the bottom, the one on top is fine). The one there has a lense flare and the sky is blown out and the building is undersaturated. There is a nice overcast now I should be able to grab a good one this morning. Anybody got any other requested photo's opf Victoria? I was thinking of a shot of street people as a section on the homeless problem here is needed. HighInBC 13:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I added the Victoria skyline photo on top there, as I think photos of cities should go from the broad and wide down to the specific. We also need a better photo of the downtown "highrises" and office buildings, as the existing photo of Victoria's "skyline" only captures about 50% of the buildings and is somewhat misleading as a true skyline shot.

[edit] Mediterranean Climate??

This is simply wishful thinking. By Canadian standards, the climate is very temperate and benign... but it lacks the long, dry summers and the winters are relatively cold compared to places like San Francisco, Santiago, Rome or Perth (Places that actually experience a Mediterranean climate!). At best, it is on the milder and drier spectrum of the temperate coast climate that stretches from the Queen Charlotte Islands to Oregon.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.216.181.99 (talk • contribs) 22:44, 9 August 2006.

I have always been told this place is a temperate climate, I cannot imagine it being mediterranean. Any fact checkers out there? It rains alot, and only gets hot for a short while in the summer. It does not get too cold, only snowing some years. It is raining right now. HighInBC 15:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I changed it to oceanic climate. --Usgnus 15:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, that's the official scientific name for the weather around here, isn't it? Like wet winters and dry summers, and low temperature ranges that don't dip below freezing? -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 15:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I've heard it described as Mediterranean-like, which implies that it is not exactly Mediterranean. Perhaps that's a solution. --Usgnus 15:59, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Its now "sub-Mediterranean". --Usgnus 16:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
but "sub-Mediterranean" is not an official cliamte designation; or if it is, there's no Wiki article on the same. I'd venture it's more like Torquay or another mild-temperate climate; I know Torquay's not as dry, but the dry climate in Victoria is a "pocket climate"; Douglas noted it during his first contemplations of the site for the creation of what would become Fort Victoria, commenting that "Camosun" (from the camosun/camosack blue-glass beads used as a trade good) was sunny and dry - "a perfect little Eden" relative to the climate in the surrounding regions, including Saanich and Sooke which are considerably wetter. Anyway, there must be an "official designation"; perhaps on the Climatology page there might be some parameters that would indicate what the designation should be; to me "Mediterranean" (w/wo the "sub-") sounds like a marketing slogan.Skookum1 20:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
According to the Köppen climate classification, Victoria is Csb, which would make it Mediterranean. --Usgnus 21:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
The article temperate say that areas with temperate climate include western North America at latitudes between 40° and 60° north (65°N in Europe).
It also describes Victoria's weather very accurately. HighInBC 16:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
True, but it's more precise to say "sub-mediterranean". Victoria is as mild as but much drier than Portland, Oregon which is at 45° vs. 48° for Victoria. From a botanical perspective, there are many species that will grow in Victoria that won't survive in most parts of a temperate zone. --Usgnus 16:35, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Usgnus has a good point with the Köppen climate classification. It should be noted however we have considerably different weather than the mainland at the same latitude. I don't have a citation for this, I know it from personal experience. HighInBC 01:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I still don't buy it... Based on this, Vancouver also has a Mediterranean climate (see http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/climate_normals/stnselect_e.html). Even London, England would fit this very general classification! What is missing is the dry, predictable summer- Victoria and Vancouver both get considerable rain, even in the summer. Rainshadows reduce rainfall at the micro level, but cannot account for a change in climate. It is no different here in Victoria than in parts of Southern England (for examle, Torquay ) and northern France. I think it should be labelled for what it is- West Coast Marine!
No, London England would NOT fit into the Csb classification, nor would Vancouver. But Victoria does. Did you read the part about the 30mm precip limit in the driest month? Did you read the overall yearly precip limit? By the way, Victoria gets negligible summer rain, less than Marseilles, Rome, or even Naples. It obviously also gets significantly less than Vancouver...24.64.223.203 06:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, parts of Greater Vancouver would fit (Delta, Abbotsford and White Rock get <30mm in July. Vancouver gets just barely over 30mm and would qualify if you use the imperial 1.2"- since it recives 1.19" in July). Seattle would as well. Marseilles does not receive more rain (see http://www.weatherbase.com/weather/weather.php3?s=005670&refer= ). I haven't checked Rome or Naples, but I find that hard to believe, at least in terms of days with rain. Incidently, using the strict black and white Koeppen system, Florence, Bologna, Venice, and many other typical Mediterranean locations would not receive a Cs designation!207.6.233.239 23:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if "parts" of Vancouver would fit, but the airport doesn't. http://www.worldclimate.com/cgi-bin/data.pl?ref=N49W123+2100+71892W. As for Marseilles vs. Victoria...Environment Canada lists the rainfall at Gonzales (Oak Bay) as 24", while worldclimate lists 27". Either way, it is in the same ballpark as Marseilles, and it experiences a more severe summer drought than Marseilles (a key indicator of a med climate). By the way, I am very aware that Florence, Bologna, Venice etc. do not fit the Med climate model - that's because they are continental climates! They do not experience a significant enough summer drought. To find a true med climate you must go to coastal locations. It is very rare for a med climate to penetrate very far inland - heat builds up inland and causes thunder and rain. An exception would be the Central Valley of California for instance. As for Rome and Naples..Rome gets 31" per year. Naples gets 37". Both are actually a bit on the moist side for med-type climates, but they do fit the model.24.64.223.203 04:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, we need a citation to settle this. I know we have valleys that are considered temperate rainforests here. I should point out we have very different weather than Vancouver despite our proximity. Something to do with wind I think. HighInBC 04:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The climate reminds me of the Irish climate form this description: "It rains alot, and only gets hot for a short while in the summer. It does not get too cold, only snowing some years...". Ireland is almost the exact same, whatever climate classification it has. Temperatures in Ireland vary from -4C to 11C in winter and 9C to 23C in summer (average) and this year it was over 30C only 2/3 days in July 2006 (31.5C was the highest) and only below -5C a few days in winter (I think -16C was the lowest this year in February/March, but that is exceptionally rare). Jvlm.123 19:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately that description does not take into account precipitation patterns. Ireland has a Cfb climate with no wet or dry seasons, and is therefore fundamentally different climatically from Victoria.24.64.223.203 06:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

OK... let's look at the facts. One needs to only compare Victoria's climatological information http://www.worldweather.org/056/c00620.htm with that of, say, Marseilles, France http://www.worldweather.org/062/c01055.htm (Mediterranean), Perth, Australia http://www.worldweather.org/185/c00314.htm (Mediterranean) and Paris, France http://www.worldweather.org/062/c00194.htm (West Coast Marine) or Cardiff, UK http://www.worldweather.org/010/c00036.htm (West Coast Marine). Which one does it most resemble? You can peruse any weatherstation's data anywhere in the world to see that Victoria is much more similar to the southern regions of northern Europe and NOT the northern regions of the Mediterranean world. Case closed... Victoria's climate is a somewhat drier version of West Coast Marine. It may be Mediterranean-like or whatever, but it is NOT Mediterranean. 207.6.233.239 18:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but that is original research. Anything added to Wikipedia must be verifiable. Find a published reliable source, and you can add the material, citing the source. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 10:43, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
You are comparing Victoria to Csa climates (or in layman's terms, "hot mediterranean" climates). Victoria is a Csb climate (ie. "mild mediterranean"). For other examples of mild mediterranean climates, see: San Francisco, coastal Chile, etc. A "Mediterranean-type" climate is NOT, by definition, "the same climate as you would find in the Mediterranean basin"...At least not if we are talking in terms of scientific definitions. The climate is defined more in terms of mild/wet winters and dry summers. Summer temperatures can be hot (Athens) or mild (Porto) depending on distance from the open ocean. Summer temperatures really don't factor in when defining a "Mediterranean-type" climate. Unless you are trying to determine between Csa or Csb. Whew.24.64.223.203 06:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok according to these 2 sites [1][2] it is officially sub-Mediterranean. Any help? HighInBC 11:41, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
No response, going to add the term with citations to article. HighInBC 15:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
You waited four hours? Not everyone is on-line 24 hours a day. The sources are not the highest quality, but I'm not going to contest them. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 01:25, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Four hours is plenty, nothing I did was un-reversible. HighInBC 10:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
This source has a World Map of the Köppen-Geiger climate classification from the Department of Natural Sciences, University of Veterinary Medicine, Vienna. It clearly shows southern Vancouver Island in the Csb zone. (I found the link at the WP Köppen climate classification page. And while Wikipedia is not a reliable source, that page lists Victoria as one of the examples of the Csb climate.) Eron 02:07, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the same map shows the same climate for the entire Puget Sound area, including Seattle. Another Koeppen map referenced in WP under Köppen climate classification shows everything north of Redding, California as Cfb. The intent of the Mediterranean classification is to identify an area with a climate similar to that of the lands bordering the Mediterranean Sea... Anyone who is familiar with that part of the world will tell you the region of the Pacific Northwest (Victoria included) is not in that category. Bottom line- it rains significantly all year, the winters are relatively cold and wet, and the summers are not long and predictable.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.6.233.239 (talk • contribs) 16:30, 21 August 2006.
It does not rain all year in Victoria. Summers are very dry, drier than Marseilles, which you cite above. Victoria gets a lot less rainfall (66.5 cm) than Vancouver (111.7 cm) and Seattle (94.5 cm), much of it during the winter storm season. Rome gets 76 cm a year. Victoria get 2,223 hours of sunshine a year, Florence gets 2,500. The temperatures are generally lower than near the Mediterranean Sea, which is probably why it is called the unofficial "sub-Mediterranean", but it's a lot closer than you think. --Usgnus 16:57, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Well you are right that Victoria's summers are drier that Marseille's, but the "sub-Mediterranean" term is incorrect, since there's no such animal. It's a Csb climate, it fits into the definition plain and simple. A Csb climate has mild, wet winters and dry, mild summers...the common name for this climate would be "mediterranean-type" (note the lack of a capital 'm'). I vote that the term used in the article should be "cool mediterranean". Should keep everyone happy and is more correct than "sub" mediterranean.24.64.223.203 06:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Cool mediterranean works for me. --Usgnus 13:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I am glad it is not our job to personally classify the climate here as it sounds complicated. This should be as easy as reflecting what valid sources say and providing citations. If you find citations that say "cool med" please let me know, I have only seen sources that say 'sub med'. HighInBC 13:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Well if it's between 'sub med' and 'mediterranean-like', I would go for the latter, for what it's worth.70.66.136.40 17:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Please note that the Victoria airport is not in Victoria, it is just outside Sidney,BC. For what it is worth. HighInBC 05:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes. Victoria Airport gets from ten to twenty inches more precip. annually than locations further south, like downtown and especially Oak Bay. It is further from the influence of the Olympic rainshadow. However, Victoria Airport is still significantly drier than Vancouver, and even Seattle.70.66.136.40 17:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I see alot of OR discussion going on here, and that is fine, but none of it can be used for the article. I agree that the 2 citations I have found are of low quality, one is the city's website(and possible biased), and the other is a tourist website(no citations or explanation). Now, I have searched a bit but only found these, I suggest that the speculation be put aside and a better citation be found. Failing that I think it is fine how it is.
It is not our place to look at Victoria's weather patterns and compare them to existing standards that is creating WP:OR by combining established sources. See WP:OR#Synthesis_of_published_material_serving_to_advance_a_position for more information. HighInBC 17:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Victoria's climate meets all the criteria for a Csb Mediterranean climate under the Koppen classification system. It gets less rainfall during June to August than Rome, Naples, Barcelona, or Nice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ssmurray (talk • contribs).

As I said before, just above your comment, It is not our place to look at Victoria's weather patterns and compare them to existing standards that is creating WP:OR by combining established sources.. Now, if you can find a citation saying what you just said I would be very gratefull as the citations used for the current sub-Mediterranean climate are not independent. HighInBC 03:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Ummm...it's "snowing" in Victoria right now. Mediterranean climates don't get snow. Does L.A, S.F Perth, Rome or any city on the mediterranean coast recieve snow to the degree Victoria does(extended days of below freezing and snow accumulation).Granted it doesn't snow as often as east of Hope and when it does, it's treated like one of the 7 signs of the apocalypse,but to put Victoria's climate in the same leauge as the before mentioned cities just seems desperate. It's like trying to be something it's not....California.

I'm reluctant to add another entry to this long (and trivial, really) thread, but here it goes... Victoria's climate should be categorized for what it is: Temperate West Coast with Mediterranean characteristics. I don't care if it meets the strict Csb criteria (the Koeppen classification is full of flaws- even the southern parts of Greater Vancouver and parts of the Puget Sound area meet this!!) The references cited are self-serving tourism articles that cannot be deemed reliable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.183.217.31 (talk) 00:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC).
Do you have a citation? That is all we need. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 00:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
The Koeppen classification may be full of flaws, but it's where the concepts of "mediterranean", "temperate" and "oceanic" climates come from. You can't have it both ways. And it does not have a "sub-Mediterranean" classification, or "Temperate West Coast with Mediterranean characteristics". There seems to be a misconception here deriving from the fact that Victoria is drier than Vancouver. Maybe it is, but does it get 35mm of rain during summer and 13 times as much as that in winter? Part of the definition is the stark contrast in winter and summer rainfall.
I live in the city that is frequently identified as having the epitome of a Med climate: Perth, Western Australia. A friend of mine moved to the Vancouver-Victoria-area to get away from the hot and dry summers here. And the pictures I have seen of Victoria and Vancouver Island do not say "Mediterranean"; it is just too cold in winter and too green in summer. Where is the bone-dry, yellow vegetation of a real Mediterranean summer? It also has sub-arctic vegetation rather than the Mediterranean vegetation found in California.
It is natural for the B.C. government to talk up the climate, but no other reputable source would describe Victoria as being Mediterranean. Grant | Talk 05:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
A quick google search reveals an enormous amount of pages with the term sub-mediterranean, many of them science related articles. Admittedly, a lot of them are about Victoria, but not the majority. I'm not saying it should apply to Victoria necessarily, but the term does exist. It's not simply a product of Victoria's PR department. - TheMightyQuill 07:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
My main point is that it is not a Koppen term.
Returning to my point about vegetation, this article mentions three species that are also found in California as examples of Mediterranean plants. That is negligible and it would not be surprising to find them in a non-Mediterranean zone relatively close to California. This paper says, quoting/paraphrasing Werner Greuter of the Botanischer Garten & Botanisches Museum Berlin:
Mediterranean regions including the Mediterranean, California, central Chile, the Cape of Good Hope region and south-western Australia "total some 70,000 species and represent a major part of the higher plant diversity of the world, exceeding the combined floras of tropical Africa and Asia." The reason for the large number of species is that many have very small ranges and the diversity in any given area is not so large.
There may be a degree of biodiversity on Vancouver I., but it is not in native Mediterranean-type species. Grant | Talk 15:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
The problem is, that if you take a scale, then apply information to it to get a result that is WP:OR#Synthesis_of_published_material_serving_to_advance_a_position. What is needed is a citation that interprets that scale for Victoria. I agree that the current information is less than perfect, but we need citations. Show me a citation that says Victoria is Oceanic' and we are set, until then we will settle with the sources we have. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 15:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I think I have solved this, complete with neutral language and references. Please feel free to comment or re-edit. 66.183.217.31 00:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Radio stations list

I can pick up a lot more stations than this -- is there any standard on wikipedia for listing the nonlocal stations one can pick up in a given city? (Examples: KISM 92.9 and NPR from Washington state)

I would imagine they should be broadcasted from the greater victoria area. Otherwise the are not relevent. HighInBC 04:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images?

I'm not sure the gallery was a good idea, but do we really need 2 images of parliament? I could see if one of them was at night, but two daytime pictures seems unnecessary. - TheMightyQuill 16:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, redundent and low quality pictures can be removed to give more room in the article. Also, adding more text would give room for images. I may look into expansion information in the future. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 16:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Expansion Topics

Well, the History section could stand for some serious expansion, and the Other facts section should really be split up into more specific topics. Comparing this article with Vancouver we could include sections on Governance, Transportation, Education, Architecture, Arts and Culture. -- TheMightyQuill 17:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

With the upcoming games in Vancouver, there has been alot of press about how Van's cleanup will drive the homeless to Victoria. It is just speculation now, but they think the homeless population in Victoria may triple for the duration of the games. I would not add anything till this actually happens and there are reliable sources backing it up, but it is an idea for the future. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 17:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New images of Parliament Buildings

I have added 3 new images of the parliament buildings, taken last weekend in the afternoon, the morning and at night. Since there are already images in the article, I thought I would leave it for someone else to decide whether to substitute any of these for the current photos. --KenWalker | Talk 04:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nelly Furtado Day

I had assumed that this was vandalism due to a repeated attempt to suppress the [citation needed] tag before a source was added. I was mistaken. However, no source I've seen has indicated that it is indeed a holiday (That it will reoccur every 21st of March that follows), rather than a one-time event. I may again be mistaken, as I don't live in Victoria. I guess it's up to you Victorians to decide what is and isn't notable. Sorry for the earlier charge of vandalism! -Etafly 18:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

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