Talk:Vicente Piccio, Jr.

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[edit] Origin of the Piccios

This article is connected to the 'Italian Filipinos' and 'Spanish Filipinos' categories, but there is nothing in the article to support this. Can someone find the facts and either change this article text or delete the categories, based on facts so obtained. Thanks Hmains 02:19, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Although it doesn't dwell specifically on ethnicity, this link might help, at least as a first step: http://www.lawphil.net/judjuris/juri1968/jul1968/gr_l-19852_1968.html. It states, "Piccio was riding home to Sagay when, upon passing a store in front of the Lopez Sugar Central, accused Lopez and Jamero shouted at him, 'kastila, pig'," then later, "he acted as toastmaster in one of the political meetings of accused Rudy Lopez in the 1955 campaign and said 'Do not vote for a Spaniard.'" The Piccios are few and quite a close-knit clan in the Philippines, and I'm quite sure that back then in the 1950s we knew how "Kastilas" (more accurately, southern European people) actually looked like, apart from just having fair skin, which really any Austronesian can have. 210.213.177.81 13:41, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

On Hmain’s talk page, Chris S. wrote:

As far as I know, the Piccios are not Italian but Ilonggos (an ethnic group in the Philippines) - they are a well known family in Iloilo. Did you read the Catálogo link I gave you above? In 1849, Spanish officials required Filipinos to get last names because many indios (native Filipinos) at the time did not have last names or they had an inconsistent or ambiguous way of getting them. These last names come from a book. … Many of these last names come mostly from Philippine languages and Spanish. But you will find the occasional English last name or Italian one.

‘Piccio’ is not a surname with origins in the Catálogo; it is not listed there.

Moreover, just because a family lives in Iloilo or Hamburg or Montréal does not mean that they’re of Hiligaynon, Saxon, or native American ethnicity. —Lagalag 22:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Oops, my mistake. I must have thought there was an extra C in Picio though, which is indeed listed. In any case, it's true what you say. However, it seems that you are confusing ethnicity and ancestry/heritage. Someone who was born and raised in Iloilo and speaks Hiligaynon is essentially an Ilonggo, regardless of their ancestry. Ethnicity has to do with identification and sense of belonging. Regardless of my ancestry, I am 100% American and 100% Filipino by ethnicity since these are the two groups I strongly identify with and have felt a part of all my life. With regards to my ancestry, I am 75% Filipino and 25% White American.

As for the Piccio clan, they are Ilonggos through and through. I knew Angelo Piccio (who is related to Vicente Piccio), who is a few years younger than me. Several years ago when asked about his surname, he couldn't tell me anything about any supposed Italian heritage. He's just Filipino. Even if he has some Italian blood, he may not necessarily identify with the Italian ethnicity. --Chris S. 04:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name question

Does anyone know what the M. in his name stands for? —Lagalag 07:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)