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Contents 1 Charles V 2 Bah 3 Errors 4 Many minor corrections 5 Errors ID'd by Nature, to correct 6 Query: Translation of Fabrica 7 Radicis Chynae 8 Court Palatine 9 Mechanical ventilation 10 Vesalius's origin 11 Jan van Calcar correct? 12 pronunciation

[edit] Charles V

"After the abdication of Charles he continued at court in great favour with his son Philip II"

does not seem right. Charles V of France succeeded by Charles VI of France

there is no mistake: the reference is to emperor Charles V of Spain (the current Belgian territory then belonged to Spain). His son was Philip II.

I have removed the myth about the Inquisition and replaced it with a reference to the article that debunked it. This article is copied and pasted from a very old source and is basically inaccurate from start to finish.

Andreas Vesalius' De Humani Corporis Fabrica (1543), is a groundbreaking text. You went too far in your critique. --Ancheta Wis 09:23, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bah

It says that many errors were found in galens work. Any idea what they were?

I have seen an overview of Galens errors (found, in part, by Vesalius) in one of my history of psychology text books. I'll take a look and doe necessary editing. -- Cugel 13:12, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Errors

I spotted this one a few weeks ago, now I feel guilty for not having taken the time to change it! Vesalius didn't write the first books on human anatomy, he just wrote a very influential one. He was not even the first one to publish a book of his sort, though his was one of the most impressive and, at the time, accurate ones. Anyway, a small quibble, but I am now remorseful. --Fastfission 20:00, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Many minor corrections

The original article included numerous obvious mathematical errors. For instance it stated that he entered school in Paris at the age of fourteen, while simple subtraction showed it was a more reasonable nineteen. Practically every age mentioned in the text had to be corrected.

It also appears the article was written by someone for whom English is a second language. I've tried my best to change tense and grammar to be more readable. I have also removed large rambling sections which were neither clear nor had much to do with Vesalius himself.

Hope it's better now!

Maury 21:25, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Errors ID'd by Nature, to correct

The results of what exactly Nature suggested should be corrected is out... italicize each bullet point once you make the correction. -- user:zanimum

Reviewer: Neidhard Paweletz, German Cancer Research Centre (retired), Heidelberg, Germany.

• Jacques Dubois (or better Jacobus Sylvanus ) did not teach at the university of Leuven (Louvain) but in Paris where Vesal went after the studies at Louvain.
• In the summary: Brussels at that time belonged to the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation, Belgium was not yet existent.
• Vesal did not study at Venice but at Padua which at that time belonged to the Republic of Venice.
• It is mere speculation that Vesal belongs to the Italian School of Anatomy rather than to the French.

All of the errors are corrected in the actual text, I'm going to remove the tag from the article. GhePeU 19:29, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Query: Translation of Fabrica

JA: I see that some recent translators have chosen the specific metaphor of "fabric", but I have missed any evidence that Vesalius intended anything more than the generic sense of "construction", "structure", or perhaps "architecture", and probably not the more functional than anatomical sense of "workings". Cf. Lewis & Short Do others have additional data on this point? Jon Awbrey 13:20, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Radicis Chynae

"During these years he also wrote Radicis Chynae, a short text on the properties of a medical plant whose use he defended his anatomical knowledge."

What does this mean? Isoxyl 12:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

This passage seems very similar to one in http://www.arikah.com/encyclopedia/Andreas_Vesalius which itself lists as a reference, the reference at the bottom of this wikipedia article. The Arikah article is at least accompanied by some very nice illustrations, and should be credited since it seems the prose is very clearly lifted from that article, not from it's referenced source at http://www.bronwenwilson.ca/physiognomy/pages/biographies.html which is more clearly phrased, if not as nicely illustrated. Castlan 03:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Court Palatine

"After the abdication of Charles he continued at court in great favour with his son Philip II, who rewarded him with a pension for life and by being made a count palatine."

Can anyone link to the proper definition of Palatine in this context? There are several listed, and I just want to link to the right one. I assume it is number two, Palatinate? Anyway, since this is an unusual word, it seemed linking is in order. Isoxyl 12:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mechanical ventilation

Have added a wee bit on the above, well, one sentence. Plumped right in the middle of a section. Couldn't think of a better place for it as it describes an action, ie mechanical ventilation, as opposed to a discussion of anatomy. Hope it's okay?Mmoneypenny 18:13, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vesalius's origin

At the time, Brussels was part of the Holy Roman Empire. Now, Brussels has nothing to do with Flanders. So, what are the arguments in favor of the "Flemish" origin of Vesalius ? --Gadrel 16:27, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, arguments except that he was born in Flanders and its name was Van Wesel? GhePeU 13:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Interesting again. So Brussels was at the time in Flanders? Have you some geographical and historical informations about this surprising fact? And, say, Ludwig van Beethoven is Flemish? Or maybe Gus Van Sant? --Gadrel 20:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Just check every single article that mentions Flanders. We're speaking of a man born in the 16th century, so don't use 19th century categories. GhePeU 20:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that YOU must maybe check the article over Brussels and tell me if Brussels had EVER been in Flanders, which is a geographical area. If you don't know a thing about geography, it's not my fault. --Gadrel 20:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I checked the facts, although I would have preferred to call him Flemish myself... : Brussels was at that time part of Brabant and not of the County of Flanders, as you can see on the map. Not all 'flemish' speaking people were flemish sensu strictu. Only recently Flanders (as part of Belgium) incorporates cities as Antwerpen, Leuven and Brussels, althoug technically spoken even nowadays the latter can be debated. Sorry Ghepeu,you will have to revert. You may make him a Brabander though... Lycaon 21:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Bedankt. I love nothing more than the truth. --Gadrel 21:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jan van Calcar correct?

One of the sources I used threw doubt on whether Stephen Jan van Calcar illustrated the book. The reason given was the one picture known to be his for a book of Vesalius's did not look like the others. The source was a reproduction of Vesalius's Fabrica, with an introduction and side notes. It was published by DK, but that is all I remember. Does anyone have proof that this belief is obsolete (another source was very definite is saying van Calcar illustrated it, but it is about sixty years old)?P.L.A.R. 22:51, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] pronunciation

is it pronounced Vesalius, or more french-like like VesIy? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Toastthemost (talk • contribs) 00:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC).