Template talk:Verify source

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F.Y.I. This template is one of several templates used to provide or request sources for articles.

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was Do not move. Start the AWB before doing the move - not after. —Wknight94 (talk) 23:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed move

For easiness of use, I propose to move Template:Verify source and Template:Verify credibility to Template:Verify (overwriting the redirect). Λυδαcιτγ 17:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Struck out second proposal for now. Λυδαcιτγ 15:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Never mind. Λυδαcιτγ 23:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

  • Strong Oppose: Huh?! {{Verify}} currently redirects to {{Not verified}} which is completely different. This move would change a big blue bar at the top of a zillion articles into a little footnote which says "verification needed". Am I missing something? —Wknight94 (talk) 16:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
    Correct. I assumed it would be a few redirects I could AWB, but it's actually a few thousand. Take back that request. Λυδαcιτγ 23:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Question. There are three active templates now; unless I misunderstand this seems to reduce them to two. What functionality overlaps and what is lost? --Dhartung | Talk 03:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I tried to do everything at once and ended up with a mess. First I'd like to simply move this template. Once that's done, I'd like to propose merging Template:Verify credibility with the new Template:Verify. But for now, I'd just like to have this moved, so it's easier to type, which will encourage correct use of this as opposed to {{fact}} or {{citeneeded}}. Λυδαcιτγ 15:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Proposed edit to point to current rather than superseded policy

{{editprotected}} This template currently points to Wikipedia:Verifiability, which has been superseded by Wikipedia:Attribution. --Yksin 23:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Support. I think WP:ATT is a huge mistake, but it's allegedly policy now, so we should stick with it unless/until it gets reforked back into WP:V, WP:NOR and WP:COI. <sigh> — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 00:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Done. Yeah, I liked it the old way too, but whaddayergonnado. Proto ► 18:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Purpose

The purpose of this template is not clear. The wording points to using it to request a check against a source that is already cited, sort of Template:Request quote but

if it is doubtful but not too harmful to the whole article, you may use [verification needed] tag to ask for source verification.

makes it as a marker for doubtful info that may lack citation. --Error 22:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't really understand what your question or disagreement is. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 22:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I think I understand the question, assume somebody writes "John is the king of France[1]", but when you look at the given source you can not verify that this is claim is made by the source. Thanks to the above comment I now know that Template:request quote can be used for this, but the names aren't very intuitive, and request quote isn't very widely advertised considering how important it is to verify that the cited sources really back up the material they claim to support. I think all that is needed is to point out in the documentation of this page that there exists a template called "request quote" for that purpose. --Merzul 20:28, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Inline templates proposed

Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Inline templates. I've been meaning to do this for a while. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 16:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Check

{{check}} is being used by some editors. Can we write in the page that this can be used also or that it's an old form no longer used? thanks - Ctbolt 04:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't bother. {{Check}} redirects to {{Verify source}}; bots that fix redirects of this sort will take care of it (try adding {{Citation needed}} somewhere; you'll see it become {{Fact}} within a few days at most, generally). — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 05:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
It matters when you're not familiar with the template and you go looking for help on it - and you realise that there is no help on it. Just confirming that it's legitimate. I'll add a 'Related redirects' to the page similar to template:Fact. - Ctbolt 06:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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