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[edit] Fantastic View

I added a reference to Tower 42's high level champagne bar, because it gives just about the best view of central London you can get. --ReeToric 01:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] dangerous height

i thought vertigo signified a dangerous height or something? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.239.8.87 (talk • contribs) 01:56, 7 December 2005 (PST).

I put some text after the Vertigo (medical) entry: "often misused to mean acrophobia (fear of heights)" —Fitch 09:53, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Another Great Page from the Wikipedia

a Great Page - the most detailed source for Vertigo on the net.

[edit] Moves?

Shouldn't we move this page to Vertigo (disambiguation) and move Vertigo (medical) here, adding the appropriate "for other uses see" text? I'd go ahead, but it requires admin rights to keep all the histories straight. (John User:Jwy talk) 21:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


User:Mikkalai has just made this move anyway. As he prefers these discussion on article talk pages, here it is. I would suggest the change be reverted. (John User:Jwy talk) 22:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm interested to hear Mikkalai's reasons for moving after the request failed to achieve consensus. I don't think the situation is terrible as it is, but I thought we had decided it was better to have the disambiguation page at the main title, because it wasn't clear whether the medical condition or the film is a primary topic. -GTBacchus(talk) 00:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I apologize for making move without talking first. I was not aware that it was a matter of dicussion. And, GTBacchus, you didn't read my talk page carefully :-) That was my idea anyway :-) `'mikka 01:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Looking at it more carefully, I have no idea what you think I missed. -GTBacchus(talk) 19:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Now, to the topic, You seem to have a somewhat misguided notion about what is "primary topic". The first and foremost meaning of the word is medical condition. Other meanings are derived. They are not even dictionary synonyms, so that one may be unsure whether Table (furniture) or Table (information) is the primary meaning. In our case the medical meaning is in a unique position from the point of view of language. Therefore their frequency in google is irrelevant. In fact, during AfDs it was dicussed numerous times: google is a tool to look for information and any other uses cannot be decisive, especially when comparing incomparable topics. `'mikka 01:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Reading carefully seems to be something we all need to remember. No one mentioned google here but you. And as I point out in the discussion, the definition of primary topic as I understand it from the guidelines is NOT the first dictionary definition, but should be the article desired by a clear majority of those that enter the term in the search box. The links to the various vertigo pages was used to provide some idea of this, but was taken with a grain of salt in the discussion - but convinced me, the original requester for the change, that there was not a clear majority. (John User:Jwy talk) 03:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Jwy. Decisions about "Primary topic" are based on what people are likely to be searching for. Which is more primary for "Nike", a Greek goddess or a company that makes sneakers? The community seems to have decided that neither is primary. How about Neptune? Even though the planet is named after the Roman god, we have the planet at the primary topic, because more people mean that when they say "Neptune" these days. What do more people mean when they say (or search for) vertigo? That's the question we have to decide when choosing a primary topic. -GTBacchus(talk) 19:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS to move these articles, per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 07:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

You may be right. But it feels weid that the name of the movie is the main meanig. Well, whatever. Moving back. `'mikka 22:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

I've made this a formal request. As the page now says, Vertigo (medical) is the usual meaning, so the proposal is to make that the Vertigo page, and move this disambiguation page to Vertigo (disambiguation). (John User:Jwy talk) 17:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

  • I agree with both of the moves proposed. Recury 20:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Support --Yath 00:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose The term Vertigo is very much associated with the movie and the U2 song, far more by the general public than the medical term. Milchama 19:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, you may be right: I looked at the links to the various pages and Vertigo (film) appears to have > 250 links, the others less than 200. Not a definitive reason to make any changes, but useful information. (John User:Jwy talk) 20:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. The medical term is the normal and primary meaning, the others are derived. Andrewa 05:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak support given that the film, the song and Vertigo comics are all reasonably well known. However, the medical term is clearly the primary meaning. PC78 10:23, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
To me, its not "clear." The term primary topic seems to mean "most searched for," not original or "dictionary" meaning. I'm actualy considering withdrawing the request for change and just removing the text that says the medical meaning is the "usual" one. What do all you "supporters" think? (John User:Jwy talk) 19:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I think that the medical meaning is the primary one, and that nobody should abort the voting process. --Yath 20:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
fair enough (about withdrawing the the request), let's keep the discussion open, but:
  • Oppose - I have come to the conclusion that the film and the medical condition (and less so, the song) are reasonably likely to be what the user is searching for, which is what I think the criteria is (see primary topic) for having the direct page. I now oppose the move I proposed and suggest we change the text of the first entry to be a more standard entry. (John User:Jwy talk) 01:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I support as well. -146.186.210.78 20:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose My first thought is the film. I think between the three (Film, song, and medical term) there is enough ambiguous to warrant it Vertigo as a disambiguation. You really can't say one of the three is more likely to be searched for then the other. 205.157.110.11 07:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment:IMO both these votes are valid. No change of vote. Andrewa 18:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
      • RM is not really a vote but rather a discussion aimed at guaging consensus for a particular move. Take our comments on face value and judge them on their own merit. Declaring them blankly "invalid" is anon-discrimination. 205.157.110.11 23:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
        • No explanation was given for the addition of the Invalid votes subheading, and I think you were quite justified in removing it. I didn't do it myself as IMO no closing admin would have paid it any attention anyway. But it's probably best gone. A vote by an anon does count just as much as one by a signed-in user with the same contribution history. And yes, they're not votes in the sense that we don't simply count those for and against, but look at the arguments and seek rough consensus. Andrewa 03:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Image

The article explains that vertigo is vestibulatory disorder. In this case the sensation caused by the picture is not actually vertigo. What exactly kind of dizziness it is? What kind of dizziness it is when a person looks down from a height? IMO the image must be removed as irrelevant. `'mikka 22:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why was the disambig moved?

Someone decided to move Vertigo to Vertigo (disambiguation), and Vertigo (medical) to Vertigo despite the lack of consensus in the above debate. Milchama 22:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Undone. `'mikka 22:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
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