Talk:Verizon FiOS

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Contents 1 competitors' offerings, and other info 2 criticisms 2.1 TOS 2.2 "Criticism" Section 3 911 / emergency services dependent on power? 3.1 Battery Backup 4 Cleanup 4.1 Cleanup? 4.1.1 Removed cleanup tag 4.1.2 Got rid of pricing data. 4.2 Should consider removing the list of areas 4.2.1 Forget the locations! 4.3 Verizon Product information 4.3.1 Advertisement Tag Removed 4.3.2 Reading like a Verizon commercial 4.4 Let's move it to FIOS 5 IPTV link? 6 There is MSG for fios 7 Port 80 8 Logo? 9 technology 10 What FiOS means

[edit] competitors' offerings, and other info

Where should this info go? See-also links to new articles?

Adelphia's Extreme High-Speed Internet (Leesburg, VA) Cablevision's 100Mbps symmetrical data service (NY) SBC/Yahoo/AT&T's Project U-Verse (fiber to the node [1] [2] [3] )

• source article

Lightspeed is not and NEVER will be a competitor for FIOS, Verizon and ATT are both monopoly telelphone companies, telephone markets NEVER overlap. Either you will get FIOS one day or Lightspeed, never both. Patcat88 19:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps we create a new category called Fiber Optic Broadband or Optical Broadband (or something similar) and then create initial separate stub pages for the Adelphia Extreme and the SBC Project Lightspeed. We can update those stubs as more information on the services becomes available.

Just a suggestion. -wadems 03:22, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Looks like there's an Category:Optical fiber category now. Still no entries on Adelphia, Cablevision, or SBC's offerings. - Brewthatistrue

[edit] criticisms

sometimes they remove the copper lines. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/07/AR2005050700178.html http://news.com.com/2061-10785_3-5701533.html http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=06/06/07/2244215&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=nested&cid=15491071 http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=06/06/07/2244215&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=nested&cid=15491058

Criticism? How about Verizon puts your name+address on some people's static IP# records?

{FIOS Releases your private info} CaribDigita 21:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TOS

I have criticism of their TOS for FIOS. For example, you are not allowed to tarnish Verizon's name using the service.

What would be most appropriate?

• Add a criticism section to the article - 1 votes
• Create a web page and link to it - 0 votes
• Gather support of my criticisms first - 0 votes
• Do nothing, its not appropriate content - 3 votes
• Other?

Thanks for any feedback. --Dustball 18:23, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a user forum for non-notable folks' complaints; see Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Try http://www.broadbandreports.com or http://www.lightreading.com (their forums) for that sort of discussion. If some big name individual or publication makes critical remarks, those are allowed be cited in this article. You might look at the somewhat similar discussion of what is and isn't appropriate on the FTTH talk page at Talk:Fiber to the premises#User:192.76.80.74 edits. --A. B. 16:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Criticism" Section

I think that entire section should be removed, due to a lack of evidence and fact. Verizon is rolling out major infrastructure changes, and it costs money to do so.

In Fort Wayne, Verizon -- due to negotiations with the city -- developed the poorer areas prior to doing the higher-income areas. Greenlead 16:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe the wording can be softened, but otherwise the section is fairly on-target. I happen to live in a relatively affluent service "island" of perhaps 20,000 Verizon customers, surrounded by a competing telephone provider. Even though we're next to the famed high-tech "Silicon Valley", the likelihood of getting Verizon FiOS in this community before 2015 is essentially zilch. More likely, Verizon will be bought out before we ever see fiber service to our house walls. —Quicksilver^{T @} 22:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

In Pennsylvania almost 40% of communities where FiOS is being deployed are either more diverse or have lower average incomes than the counties in which they are located. 198.23.5.73 19:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree, I will eradicate it. -FpsFugazi

[edit] 911 / emergency services dependent on power?

Will fiber-only telephone services have the same level of reliability as copper? Will service continue to work during a power outage?

• It works for several hours on battery, and can be re-enabled for short periods after that. jesup 20:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Verizon installs an uninterrupted power supply when they install Fios. Although telephone service dependant on the power grid, this backup power should last several hours in case of power outages, if I understand it correctly. Evilrhino 02:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Battery Backup

I'm writing this from a FIOS line, and I have disconnected the power. If this saves correctly, the article is inaccurate: The Battery Backup _DOES_ hold the data network up.05:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

[edit] Cleanup?

Since I tagged this weeks ago it has made a dramatic recovery Sure, it can be expanded, but I think it is pretty well written and structured and this point. Whats your say? Mkaycomputer 17:02, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

It is better, but is it different enough to be considered cleaned up?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FiOS&diff=25638327&oldid=24107204

[edit] Removed cleanup tag

In helping to clear up the backlog of cleanup requests, I reviewed this article, its talk page, and edit history. It is unclear why a cleanup tag was applied, and a reading of the article did not reveal what issues have not been addressed. I have removed the cleanup tag so that editors can concentrate on more obvious cases. If you still think cleanup is required, please use one of the specific issue cleanup templates instead. Thanks, --MCB 23:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Got rid of pricing data.

The pricing data was just completely wrong, so I deleted it. I'd bet that prices are going to fluctuate anyway, so unless someone is going to babysit them (which nobody currently is doing), I think the prices should be left off. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.186.49.36 (talk • contribs). Sorry about the signature thing.I Use Dial 03:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Pricing and availability of plans depends almost entirely upon the local competition. Greenlead 03:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Should consider removing the list of areas

Unless someone is going to be refreshing that data religiously, that should be left to places like broadbandreports.com. It was useful perhaps when there were just a few, but now there are many. At most, give a listing of states and major cities. jesup 20:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree, assuming there are sites that keep track of this information better. The states should be listed, but not cities or counties. If we remove information, it would be nice to make the "external links" section clearer so it is obvious where to find that information elsewhere. 71.103.98.22 22:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The previous poster is right, all the areas just make the article painfully long and is just unimportant information. It also adds to the page seeming like an advertisement. The page is about what FiOS is, how it works, what it does, not what cities it's available in. I'm deleting the cities and leaving the states, unless someone objects. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.126.226.44 (talk • contribs).

I support. With this list it looks more like a Verizon's service directory, which wikipedia is definitely not. This would certainly contribute to cleanup currently needed to remove the ad-like impression given by the current article. --BACbKA 18:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Keep it. I link through the Maryland link to the build schedule every month to find out if they're doing my street yet (so far - no). Whether it meets some vague criteria for inclusion, it's useful to me and I would wager to others. As far as I know, this is the first true FTTP commercial implementation in the US and is significant and interesting for that reason alone. 204.149.81.4 21:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)BigOldGeek

I agree that the list of coverage areas is useful, I was searching for a coverage map and was directed to this page. Anyone care to explain why D.C. is on this list, I don't think it should be. There's coverage in the MD and VA suburbs, but not in D.C. itself.71.163.198.250 05:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)anynon

I think the list of areas should stay. I would say alot more broadband users know about wikipedia than broadbandreports.com. While talking to Verizon CSR's they say, "well you guys can see the trucks around we cant. The people usually know about deployment in their area before it is even available for me to see in the system." This availability portion of the Verizon Fios article seems to go into more depth than broadband reports. In this it actually specifies is there TV, is there Internet, is there even negotiations? People contribute to Wikipedia and people know what is going on in their town/neighboring towns. -FpsFugazi

I modifed the service offering for Montgomery County, MD becasue it was wrong (there is no TV offering as of today). - DMM 12/27/2006

I think if people want to keep the list of areas up to date, it should be split into a different article. dj 12/28/06

[edit] Forget the locations!

Amen. Dump the FiOS locations to either a new page or for good--either way-- it doesn't belong on this page!! I'm obligated to help! Lets just do it instead of talking about it for ages. Feel free to contact me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.239.163.83 (talk • contribs).

OK - I made the new page. It's my first new article...I hope I did ok... Dj stone 23:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC) dj

I like. - 71.103.112.88 23:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Verizon Product information

In my not so humble opinion, this article is starting to read like an advertisement for Verizon. Much of this information is unnecessary and does not belong on Wikipedia. Information like the TOS,pricing schedule, and particular plan details don't seem like they belong in an encyclopaedic article. There are websites like broadbandreports.com that deal with this exact thing. Does anyone else agree? --Kooky (talk) 21:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree, some of this should be removed. 71.103.98.22 22:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I strongly agree as well. The highly POV and ad-ish "binding for the future" heading makes me suspect somebody with financial interest in the tech is editing the article. Let's hope I'm wrong and it's just a bunch of fancruft. I'm going to slap the advert tag on the article right away. --BACbKA 20:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

What would you suggest, "Investment in Infrastructure", "Infrastucture Investments", "Infrastructure Development"?

If it sounds bold, that's because it is, especially in contrast to others who seem to be hoping for cheaper alternatives than infrastructure investment. 71.103.148.60 22:57, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

"Infrastructure Development" seems the most neutral to me. But what really gets me is the lead of the article, which is written in a deep marketing-speak. Any references to the future (even if they're stated as "... expected ...") in there should be referenced with something, and not with the verizon's own fios-promo material. --BACbKA 06:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Advertisement Tag Removed

This information is all ojective, not subjective and 99.9% of this article is facts. People use wikipedia as an source of information. They may want to know how much this new fiber network will cost them per month, seeing as how the network yields relatively high bandwidth rates compared to copper. -FpsFugazi

[edit] Reading like a Verizon commercial

I agree with the former comment that this article is reading too much like a commercial for Verizon. It would, for example, be better to remove the detailed city by city listing of FiOS service and replace that with a link to Verizon's website for that kind of info.

The article can just list the major markets in the US where FiOS is availble.

Lets try to keep this both concise and NPOV.

Tony 20:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem with doing only that is that it does nothing concerning the article name. Presumably other suppliers offer FiOS service, possibly with a different name. If they use a different name, we need a generic name. Will (Talk - contribs) 08:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Let's move it to FIOS

Instead of killing this article, I think we should move it to FIOS and make it for all ISPs with the technology. It is a topic I was going to request when I found the redirect. (Strangely, the redirect did not show up in my search. I don't know why. I saw it when I was previewing my changes to the request page.) -Will Pittenger 20:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. FIOS not the correct acronym for Fiber Optic Service If one were to genericize it, the article should be called just "FiOS", or, according to Wikipedia's silly naming rules, "Fios". —Quicksilver^{T @} 00:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IPTV link?

Should this be linked from the IPTV and / or Internet TV pages as well?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPTV —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.44.172.15 (talk • contribs).

It appears to be linked now via the { { CATV } } (no spaces) tag. 71.103.114.42 19:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] There is MSG for fios

According to the Verizon channel lineup FiOS has MSG, MSG2, FSNY, FSNY2. I don't know the story behind this but it should be taken off or something. DanB91 04:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any of those abbreviations in the article, so I assume this was removed. 71.103.114.42 19:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Port 80

This is somewhat ambiguous. I presume this refers to incoming TCP port 80? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.11.149.5 (talk • contribs).

There is no mention of port 80 in the article. If there were, it would be safe to eliminate ambiguity by adding the word "incoming". 71.103.114.42 19:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logo?

Should there be a logo on this page? I think it would be nice. I found this on Verizon's site but it's not that great: [4] I've never uploaded a file yet, and I don't know if this would be copyrighted. Dj stone 16:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

As one random user to another: sounds good to me. 71.103.114.42 19:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] technology

developed by Lucent? http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/469092836/m/722007375731?r=391008775731#391008775731 contains link to 2003 Whitepaper from Lucent, and quotes 165MBbytes capacity http://www.bell-labs.com/news/2003/july/FTTP_wpLtr_121703.pdf 71.103.95.241 19:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What FiOS means

From a brochure I got from Verizon:

    1) How does one pronounce FiOS?
    It's pronounced f-eye'-oh-s and stands for fiber-optic service.

Apparently the current intro is wrong about the Irish word; I'm going to change it. CronoDAS 04:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)