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Contents 1 Vegeta's Height 2 His age 3 Note on "Super Vegeta" 4 Vegeta Broguht Back To Life 5 Length 6 Vegeta's Aura 7 Change from Japanese Names? 8 Vegeta during Mirai Trunks's Futrue 9 Pics 10 Why are the summaries so LONG? 11 Is a "Vegeta and Bulma" section really needed? 12 It's Over Nine Thousand!! 13 Vandilism 14 suggested split 15 Super Saiyan 2? 16 Oops 17 Half-Brother??

[edit] Vegeta's Height

Throughout the series Vegeta's height hasn't stayed consistant. Here's what I noticed. In the beginning he was just taller than Krillin. In the Freeza Arc he was up to Son Goku's chest. In the Android/Cell Arcs He was up to Goku's shoulder. And Finally during the Tournament/Majin Boo Arcs he was the same height as Goku. Either Goku shrank or this dudes been takin' steroids.--suit-n-tie 04:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Steriods has nothing to do with height. Son of Kong

Oh yeah. Well he's still the amazing growing man.--suit-n-tie 04:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] His age

Toriyama stated in a dragon box segment " vegeta was 29 when he met son goku "being four years older than goku who he said was 24

Don't you mean FIVE years older?!--suit-n-tie 03:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Goku was 25 when he first met Vegeta, not 24. Son of Kong

There we go. That sounds correct.--Suit-n-tie 01:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Vegeta is seven years older then Goku. It is stated in the official Daizenshuu. 29 was a Dub error, Vegeta was 32 when he first came to Earth.

Majinvegeta

[edit] Note on "Super Vegeta"

I changed this once and it was taken out, so I'll explain again. The first time Vegeta calls himself by that nickname is when he uses the Big Bang Attack on #19. The time with Cell was the second time he called himself that. In the anime dub they changed the line entirely when he finished off 19 ("Eat this! This is Super Vegeta's Bing Bang Attack" to "Here it comes! A little going away present for you!"), but it isn't like anyone suggests he wasn't really using the Big Bang there either. Onikage725

Just note that he says it first when fighting #19 only in the jap version, as not to confuse any american/FUNimation fan readers. I remember when I came here for the first time. I didn't even know a jap DB exsisted.--KojiDude ^{(viva la BAM!)} 20:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure that line is only in the Japanese version, and not in any of the other dubs? Also, please do not use the term "jap". It's a derogatory word for the Japanese that came about during World War II. Thanks.

Daishokaioshin 21:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

It is? Woah... sorry about that Dai. I'll try not to use it anymore.--KojiDude ^{(viva la BAM!)} 21:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd have to thumb through the volume (I could on Thursday) as I don't have it personally, but I'm pretty sure they use the line in the US manga, and it's on the dual-language DVDs (the second subtitle track that goes with the Japanese version). And I really think that the purpose of the article should be to inform those not in the know, not be familiar to what the "Toonami" crowd already remembers. Onikage725

It's in volume 13, I already thumbed through it Onikage725, and Yes, Vegeta does say it is the "Super Vegeta Big Bang attack" (Volume 13, page 107), but he's only calling himself that because he is now a Super Saiyan. He doesn't say, I am Super Vegeta until Volume 16, When he's figthing Cell while at Super Saiyan grade 2. I can't find my copy right now, but it is in Volume 16. Majinvegeta

[edit] Vegeta Broguht Back To Life

I just wanted to point out that after Frieza kills Vegeta he is wished back to life. The chronology jumps from Vegeta's death to the beginning of the next saga. The unfamiliar might wonder how he was killed and was meeting trunks a year later. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.126.208.247 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Length

This article is quite long. Perhaps too long. What shall be done? Paul Haymon 08:51, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Leave it as is. It's fine.--Atomic-Super-Suit^{What Have I Done?!} 04:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

It's over twice the recommended length. CovenantD 05:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, what are you going to do about it?--Atomic-Super-Suit^{What Have I Done?!} 01:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

It realy is too long ... 81.18.54.59 16:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vegeta's Aura

I was just wondering, why is Vegeta's aura purple when he first fights Goku, but yellow in every other battle?

If you look closely, each fighters' ki color is different. People who are pure or mostly pure have white aura's and people who are not pure have tainted auras (blue, red, or purple). But otherwise, the switch in energy color can probably be added to the endless void of plotholes and inconsistancies created by Toei, just like their infamous Super Saiyan aura inconsitancies (e.g: Lightning sparks being added where they shouldn't be, ect.) Toei likes to change colors and even in Bio-Broly, Krillin for a split second has a Super Saiyan aura. Krillin isn't even a Saiyan! Majinvegeta

Actually Vegeta's aura wasn't yellow in just about every battle. On Namek and when he is in his normal state, his aura was white or blue. It is yellow only when he is one of his Super Saiyan forms. Johnny542 04:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Change from Japanese Names?

Although people are firmly stating that English names should be used in English Articles, I think the Vegeta article (or any other Dragonball Article) should display the original names out of respect for the original Japanese format as well as the English names. This can also be done so we don't confuse readers who are not familiar with Dragonball. Majinvegeta

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Is it that you want to rename all the Dragon Ball articles to the Japanese names? It's the English Wikipedia. We are using official names from the anime, English and Japanese. Including the manga.--SUIT⁴² 06:32, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vegeta during Mirai Trunks's Futrue

I wanna say that other than in the manga, that during the Future Trunks's timeline that it is shown in the anime OVA and the flashback during the Cell Saga that Vegeta had become a Super Saiyan. The question is was Trunks conceived before or after he became one during that timeline? Even though he was motivated to surpass Goku he didn't have the push of motivation that Vegeta in the Real Timeline had with the early warning of the Androids. With that Mirai Vegeta could have gotten his SS power later in his timeline than the Real Vegeta (i am using Real as the actual timeine Vegeta)did. Because of the knowledge they got from Trunks, Real Vegeta pushed himself futher and fast to train and surpass Goku possiblily pushing himself to SS early. With that it can be said that Mirai Vegeta could have conceived Trunks with Bulma before he got his SS, if the conception threoy is right as it is show with Son Goten and Real Trunks, then that could be the reason Mirai Trunks had to work to become SS while Real Trunks with Son Goten seems to come naturally. Heat P 05:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a forum, and that's all probably OR and it's not allowed.--SUIT⁴² 05:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with SUIT. But to debate: it is impossible to tell if Trunks was concieved before or after Vegeta had become a Super Saiyan, but judging by the "fan" theory of the relationship between offspring Super Saiyan ability, and time of conception, I do believe that Vegeta (Present Timeline) didn't only train to beat Goku, but to defeat the threat that only Goku was thought to have the ability to handle in order to prove himself better. But then again, I don't think it would've made a difference in Trunks's ability, Mirai Trunks didn't even train that hard to become one, the only reason why he was older at the first Transformation was because he hadn't started training until he was into his teens. Majinvegeta

Your right it is not a forum, however it may help some people understand somethings about Trunks. I am not trying to start a debate or argument. I know I should have moved the part about Trunks to maybe Trunks or Mirai Trunks page. This is not the article for that. I wasn't think about that til it was too late. Wrong place for that piece but my original intent was to answer many fans questions about Vegeta in Mirai timeline. That Mirai Vegeta was a Super Saiyan. In the TV special of Trunks just as he is getting hit by #18 check out Vegeta as he is in his Super Saiyan form. I will check the anime to comfirm that its was shown in the flashback of either Trunks or Cell(I forgot with one but i will find it). Just something that maybe can be figured in the article. maybe under trivia?

Heat P 03:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I last thing. Majinvegeta, your right about Trunks and Mirai Trunks training, but lets go and put that piece on Trunks and/or Mirai Trunks articles as to not cause a debate on Trunks in Vegeta's Article.

Heat P 03:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I have a suggestion: Don't. Don't put any of it on the article. Why? It's Original Research.--SUIT^{What? 42} 03:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if Future Trunks was conceived before or after the SS transformation. That's just a theory. Toriyama just wanted to make the show interesting. Who're we to decide he actually had a hidden reason behind it and decided to, for some reason, conceal that reason from the public? And, like SUIT said, it's WP:OR anyways.--KojiDude ^{(Contributions)} 03:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I think I just said that I was wrong, I should have put it in Trunks's article and not Vegeta's if it was to be talked about, Thank you. Please read all of the statement before trying to jump into something. Also for the Original Research statement. It has proven that Vegeta was a Super Saiyan in Mirai Trunks's time which was my orignial intent. So go back and read Original Research page before telling someone that they are wrong. But if you mean Trunks Conception Thing then ok i will accept that but read all the statement first instead of the first one because I did say i was wrong so leave Trunks out of this as Majinvegeta and you Suit help fix that problem. So do not start a debate over this on Vegeta's Article. Heat P 03:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Also in the piece when I said lets put this in Trunks's or Mirai Trunks's Article, I meant to the talk article for discussion not the actual article to edit. OH no!!!! not for that if that what you guys thought i meant. oh no!!! Heat P 04:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pics

Wondering if we could get pics of Babi vegeta and his golden monkey....form i mean...

Why? If they want to see such pictures they can go to the Bebi article.--SUIT⁴² 17:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why are the summaries so LONG?

The summaries of the sagas that Vegeta is present in are rediculously long, If I actually had time and was in the mood, I'd read the whole thing. I'm going to attempt to make them shorter, and have the saga's main articles explain the rest. I think that would be in order. Majinvegeta

I'll take care of it tomorrow or soon anyway, it does look a mess right now. Way too much extrapolation considering there are article pages for these sagas.

[edit] Is a "Vegeta and Bulma" section really needed?

I don't see a point in having a Vegeta and Bulma section in here, none of the other DBZ articles have a section like that except for maybe the krillin one. But then again, that one is brought to the point because we all are aware that Krillin had been searching for a spouse for years, it (in a way) ties to his personality. I was thinking to have a Prince section included in either personality or history, and then just mentioning his childhood randomely through out the article. There isn't much to his childhood except the fact that he served Freeza for most of his life. Majinvegeta

Yup, I think that section is needed. Because it reveals some details about that couple. Sometimes, there are questions like this -"How is it that Vegeta have chosen Bulma?" Also, maybe I will sound stupid - but when someone will read section about Prince, he will miss some information, since there is not enough sayings, which are telling Vegeta`s personal life. (I mean, as a husband.) Yes - I know about Krillin and his lookings for a spouse. But this is a different story, especially when we are talking about an Earthling and Prince of the Saiyans. Krillin liked Android 18 (sorry, I don`t rememeber clearly - was it the scene, when 18 kissed him after defeating Z-Warriors, or the moment when Krillin crushed Android`s deactivation device?), but I think that Vegeta NEVER thought about searching for a wife or even to have any (also, why exactly Bulma?). BTW, I think that this section should have some story about Vegeta and Bulma from Alternate Timeline (From future of Mirai Trunks) to answer a questions like this one - what were there relations during that time? (Sorry for my English, if it isn`t correct. I am a Russian. :) )

I don't see anything wrong with your English.

Good points, but they aren't really important. For example: The Goku article doesn't have a "Goku and Chi Chi" section, because the relationship is not important. Same with Vegeta and Bulma. --Majinvegeta 23:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, we can mention some things of their relationship but it doesn't deserve a full section -Dark Dragon Flame 00:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] It's Over Nine Thousand!!

should a note be added about the youtube over 9000 debacle? -70.160.166.121 23:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

No.--SUIT 23:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Goku's power was "Over Nine Thousand" in the English dub anime, and only about 8,000 in the original manga. (Shouldn't this be in the Goku talk section?) Majin Vegeta

It should, but still may not be added.--SUIT 02:40, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The only way it would ever be mentioned in an article is if it was to get on the news or something for some weird reason. Otherwise, it's not notable at all. Nemu 02:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I suppose if it would go anywhere, it would go in a "Meme" list, along with stuff like "All your base are belong to us". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.49.43.98 (talk) 05:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

I readded it, and yes, it is quite noticable, the internet is used worldwide, used daily, it's an extension of the character's pop culture appeal, why does everthing have to depend on television exposure here? Dr. R.K.Z (talk • contribs)

There is a page for this here if you feel it is really needed write it there and put a link to the page, it's pointless to add irrelevant information to a page requiring cleanup, especially a unessesary paragraph like that one-Dark Dragon Flame 03:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Until you even try to justify something with good exposure, I don't respect this decision, but I'll abide by it Dr. R.K.Z (talk • contribs) 10 January 2007 (UTC)

No need to take it badly, but it must be clear that no one has worked harder than users SUIT and Majinvegeta to make the DB pages better I have also done my part, Suit and I don't agree and Majinvegeta thinks it should be in other page, it is an unanimous desision that it should not be in this page-Dark Dragon Flame 21:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest that this belongs on the internet_fad page rather than here. Perhaps a link back to here but not in the Vegeta article. 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandilism

I wouldn't really expect vandilism on this type of page but someone has added "FAGGOT" right at the bottom of the first section. I tried removing it,but can't lol. So just letting y'all know! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.46.237.33 (talk) 19:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] suggested split

Why are the saiyan and Frieza sagas treated as a single section? this needs to be split DBZROCKS 00:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Super Saiyan 2?

I see people are having disagreements about when Vegeta becomes Super Saiyan 2, I will point out that When Goku fights Yakon, Vegeta vaguely suggests (but never specifically states) that he was capable of transforming, and Goku's fight with Yakon was prior to him becoming Majin Vegeta. So I just want to point out: First Appearence: Majin Vegeta. First transformation: Possibly earlier. This is not specifically stated though. What do you guys think? I also removed the bit about Vegeta always being in Super Saiyan 2 when as Majin Vegeta, this is untrue even in the Manga. Vegeta was Super Saiyan 1 when he first becomes Majin Vegeta, the lack of electricity (manga and anime) is a dead give-away --Majinvegeta 16:03, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, first time we see Super Saiya-jin 2 Vegeta is when he is about to fight with Goku as Majin Vageta, however as you stated he was SSJ1 when he blew up the stadium -Dark Dragon Flame 17:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Agree totally, in the manga (not so much the anime) it is usually very easy to tell the difference between Super Saiyan 1 and Super Saiyan 2, he was definitely first level. In the Manga, Vegeta (when Goku fights Yakon) says something like (I'm sure this isn't the exact quote): "So Kakorrot has ascended the Super Saiyan as well? Why am I not surprised?". It is not clear whether Vegeta is talking about Goku ascending the Super Saiyan as well as him, or that Goku had ascended; just like Gohan. --Majinvegeta 04:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Theres no electricity around him after he fights off Babidis possession either. His hair is clearly defined from the moment he becomes a Majin compared to the solid colouring of his SSJ1.Darkwarriorblake 13:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yup, he was definitely SS1. The reason why I changed the wording on the Majin Vegeta stuff was just to change it, I'm figity sometimes and like to change things. :) --Majinvegeta 14:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oops

I goofed on the description for the edit I just made. It should read, "What move CAN'T destroy small planets if enough power is put into it?" Paul Haymon 07:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry everybody screws up one of these summaries once in a while; about that question how about a Kamehameha 10x one of those at full power only can destroy a circus wheel, LOL -Dark Dragon Flame 22:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Half-Brother??

Son Goku isn't Vegeta's half brother and will never be.

Just a sneaky vandalism edit that slped past us. -Dark Dragon Flame 23:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)