Talk:Variant Magic: The Gathering formats

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Ok, I put together this article, culled most of the stuff from the magic the gathering main article, but I figure this seperate page has more room for expansion. Mister.Manticore 22:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Momir Basic

Is a separate page for Momir Basic really necessary at this point? It could easily fit into a section here if more information on the subject is desired. Mister.Manticore 17:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it is. But I do think we can scratch off the basic part, and revise the article to include all Momir formats, perhaps? Gardevior 21:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I wouldn't oppose including any other momir formats that can be properly sourced. Mister.Manticore 22:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Improving this page

Ok, A Man in Black has expressed some concerns with this page. I disagree that game guide or notability is a problem, since there's nothing strategic here, just information on the variants that describe their fundamental nature, nor a real question of notability since these are spin-offs of Magic: Gathering. But that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement. More sources would be nice, and so would more real world context. I'm sure there's more, but my real concern is understanding what specifically seems to be bothering A Man in Black. Can you specify your concerns? Mister.Manticore 19:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Basically that. All how-to-do-this and no real-world impact or non-primary sources. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

There is nothing whatsoever that I would consider how-to-do this in the article. So, I don't understand your objection there. Could you quote some sentences and compare them to other articles that you think do it right? I'll look for more information on the variant tournaments though, to satisfy your other concerns. I do think that's important to include. And like I said, I don't agree with the original research tag, but I will say the references aren't adequate. So I'll change that. Mister.Manticore 04:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Pretty much all of "alternate deck construction," for example.

This kind of content isn't a problem when it's here as context for a game's place in history or other real-world impact (sourced to reliable sources independent of the subject), but right now this is completely lacking in references or even any claims of importance. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Again, I'm not seeing it as a how-to though. You are saying things it is missing. Fine, I can agree with that. You are right, those aren't there. It would be nice if they were. That doesn't make it a how-to. Really, I think the problem here is, you have objections, which have some merit, but you're just not describing them accurately.

I certainly agree with you that finding sources that describe who created the variants would be appropriate, and expand the article nicely though. For example, I just found that Rob Baranowski apparently created Peasant magic (found on both Pojo and Wizards.com). I'll add that in now. I don't know about the others, but I think descriptions would still be appropriate even if their sources are lacking. Mister.Manticore 05:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Improving this page

Based on the comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Magic: The Gathering#Variant Magic: The Gathering formats, I've made some changes to this page. Still need to add tribal to it. Mister.Manticore 22:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)