Talk:Vanesa Littlecrow

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[edit] NPOV

added this to NPOV because it needs to be cleaned up and changed to proper 3rd person perspective. As it is now it almost reads like a vanity page by a fan. Alkivar 03:35, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

NO, no, no, Alkivar, this article was not written by a fan. I have written over 130 mini-bios and beleive me, I keep my P.O.V.'s out of them because that would be unethical. Maybe the phrase "multitalented" is what you're referring to but, what is meant by that phrase is that the person has more than one talent. In Vanessas case, it refers to the fact that she is a cartoonist, writer, model, etc. Notice that I did not write "Very", "Extremely" or any other word which could be considered a P.O.V. Another thing, I do beleive that the article is written in a 3rd person perspective. User:Marine 69-71

It seems a little breezy, but it doesn't seem POV. RickK 05:23, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)

It seems good to me, as far as POV is concerned. Perhaps Alkivar has specific objections? Andre (talk) 05:39, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)

I don't see the problem with it either. It's written in a somewhat informal style, but many biographical articles on celebrities are, and I don't think it's inappropriate given the subject matter. Shane King 08:29, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah thats more what I meant. This seems very informal as if written by a personal friend/fan. Biographical entries are supposed to be both formal and neutral in tone. NPOV wasnt really the best way to go about it, but theres no flag for formal vs. informal. Alkivar 09:22, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I don't really see how that's a problem. You're supposed to consider your audience when writing articles. Your audience on entertainment subjects is probably going to have somewhat different expectations than your audience on political subjects, for example. I expect these articles to be a little bit less formal, so long as they don't become gushy then I don't mind. So long as the NPOV is maintained I don't think there's any formal policy on exactly how the article is to be written. Shane King 23:23, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)

I agree with Shane King, entertainment subjects are a little less formal than per se political and science subjects. Also with the word "multi-talented" I really don't see an issue with it. I've seen the word used in many entertainemnt publications which say Actress Y is very multi-talented and than proceed to insult her, thus it's not POV from my perspective.--[[User:Plato|Comrade Nick @)---^--]] 01:05, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Re-wrote this to more formal NPOV tone. I also added links to her website and blog. I now recind my NPOV. Alkivar 01:44, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite

This article should be rewritten since it is "breezy" as one user described. I was almost sidetracked from real work when I realized that I have better things to do. Here's what I wrote thus far...

Having demonstrated malfunctioning conversational and emotive behavior at an early age, Vanesa was diagnosed with autism. Despite a medical recommendation for internment of Vanesa within an institution for autistic children, her mother presented steadfast opposition believing in her daughter's potential. Later, her mother proved instrumental to the development of Vanesa’s artistic abilities.

Also, check out some of her stuff:

1. LiveJournal.com User Profile
2. Personal Web site
3. VasLittlecrow.com

Adraeus 09:17, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I am not making modifications on my own Wikipedia entry because that would be unethical. I have been incredibly satisfied with the my life story has been treated, and the moderator's commitment to neutrality, as well as his thorough reseach (which admittedly spooked me the first time I read this Wikipedia entry -- written by someone I had never met.) In general, I have been incredibly impressed with the fact that he and the contributors did choose not shy away from many of the more unpleasant chapters of my life, such as my battle with alcoholism and drug abuse, my dumb x-rated online comic and the breakdown of my marriage to my former artistic collaborator/ex-husband -- without stooping to sensationalism. With this said, I would like to make a few requests to the people who are working on it, since I see there are some issues regarding quality.

I would ask that anyone adding information to my entry, to please cite your sources and add footnotes whenever necessary. I noticed that this article does not cite sources as often as it should, even though I can vouch for the veracity of each of its claims. I have no idea where the information was obtained, but I would like to note information that is out on the Internet about me, that I wrote myself, and/or is reasonably accurate. I know that a lot of the information about "Sammy" used to be on my website, but is no longer online and much of it is inaccessible on Archive.org. This is mainly out of respect for my ex-husband, and because of major disagreements with a photographer, a burlesque troupe manager, and a former female lover all whom want no mention of their names on my website, and vice-versa. I would be more than happy to restore the information about the comic, if that helps maintain the integrity of the article.

http://digitalconsciousness.com/artists/ortiz/ (Spanish only) http://www.prismcomics.org/profile.php?id=944 http://vaslittlecrow.com/vaslittlecrow/component/option,com_newsfeeds/catid,16/Itemid,30/ (This portion of my website contains a ton of media clippings and sources - if the links aren't around, it would be worth digging archive.org)

Also, I have noticed that people have been anonymously posting about my religious beliefs (which are controversial even to me) and my sexual identity. If anyone is going to make anonymous statements about personal subjects such as these, I ask that they should be prepared to suppose them and balance them, as opposed to taking quotes out of context. For example, while it is true that I proudly identify as a lesbian publicly, a small amount of digging will also reveal that I am monogamous to my husband, and I resent being labeled solely on the basis of my sexuality. It's a lot more complicated than it appears. By not taking all of those factors into consideration, this undermines the neutrality of the article and possibly promotes an agenda. While I support people's right to live their lives according to the own dictates, Wikipedia should remain free of opinion as often as possible.

The websites linked on the Wikipedia entry should have a lot of information as well. Anyway, that's my little rant for now. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this entry, especially Tony, and have a good night.

Vaslittlecrow 28 August, 2006

Any information which is added to the article and that is not obtained from a "reliable verifiable source" will be deleted . Wikipedia is not about original research, it is about reliable verifiable sources. Not everything posted in the internet is "reliable" and unless it is so, it will be a violation of Wikipedia policy to post such material. As requested by the subject of the article, the integrity of the person should be protected. Tony the Marine 19:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)