Talk:Valparaíso, Chile

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[edit] Move of this page

I happened on this and got confused by all of the redirects and such. I'm going to recommend that the following moves be made to eliminate a lot of unnecessary redirects.

1. Move Valparaíso --> Valparaíso, Chile This is the name most often used as a redirect along with Valparaíso, Chile this appears to be the logical move since most articles reference it with Chile in the link. And since that is the proper name and the common usage it seems to make sense.
2. Move Valparaiso (disambiguation) to Valparaiso
3. Cleanup all of the redirects

Comments? Vegaswikian 22:55, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Respectfully disagree. The major world city down in Chile should get the un-disambiguated location, with the others linked to the dab-page. Compare with San Francisco and San Francisco (disambiguation), London and London (disambiguation), etc. –Hajor 23:23, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Except San Francisco redirects to San Francisco, California and the same is true for many major cities in the Americas. If you look at the links to this page you will see that most of them are from the redirects with Chile in the title. So that seems to be the more common name that people use for this city. People know where places like London are, but it is not likely they know where Valparaíso is. My guess would have been Italy. Vegaswikian 00:03, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

It's mostly true for cities in the USA and Canada, not for major cities in the rest of the Americas (Medellín, Tegucigalpa, Acapulco, Salvador, Santa Cruz de la Sierra). Can I suggest a listing on WP:RM, get a broader set of opinions? –Hajor 03:23, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I voted against that since I thought that discussing it here could explain why it might not be a wise move. Placing the request on that page kind of rules out a simple question and answer session. If the page stays, then someone will need to cleanup those redirects over time. I wonder if the right direction is to move the article to Valparaíso, Chile and leave a redirect at Valparaíso, assuming that anything needs to be done. Vegaswikian 05:11, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I still think Valparaíso is the correct location, per the convention used for other cities in the same part of the world (indeed, just about all the world except those few countries where "City Name comma Subnational Entity") is used as a form of pre-emptive disambiguation). Also, as a major city (3rd biggest in the country; global fame going back a couple of centuries -- port of call for just about every ship rounding the Horn in pre-Canal days), this article is the primary topic for this title, and so deserves this location, as explained on Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Page_naming. If we can agree on that, I'd be more than happy to fix the redirects. –Hajor 14:36, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I kind of expected that would be the case. I guess the redirects will need to be fixed. Thanks all for the discussion. Vegaswikian 18:51, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Sure. Interesting dialogue (and, as such, could probably have benefited from other voices -- no one else has this on their watchlist?), and a good outcome. I'll have a look at those redirs now. –Hajor 22:32, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I suspect that it is not on a lot of watch lists. Many people add a pointer for all of the ships that stopped here when it was a major resupply point. However they probably have no real interest and don't follow the page. Interest seems a tad sparse in a lot of articles these days. I'm trying to establish an airlines project and I'm still the only one really using it even though others seem to be interested in airlines. Maybe this wiki has gotten too large? Vegaswikian 22:48, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Insane number of U.S. warships, and not much else. Maybe you're right. Cheers, –Hajor 06:16, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

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