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[edit] The Robbery of Treasure

The validity of the following paragraph is questionable:

Almost all of the tombs have been ransacked except for Tutankhamun’s. King Tutankhamun was a minor king and other kings would have had 10 times the treasures.

When ransacking the robbers often torched the tombs in order to sift through everything faster, picking out the gold and other treasures. If you were caught you were torched and impaled.

It was added by an Anon who contributed only twice, both times to this article. Possible invalidity roots in:

the extreme precise and specific quantity "would have had 10 times the treasures": Doesn't the whole number, 10, seem a bit inconvenient?
The tombs have no windows, and it was before lightbulbs, so torches had to be used. It was probably the only way. And it was mainly for lighting, not necessarily for doing "everything faster, picking out the gold and other treasures".
"If you were caught you were torched and impaled". I assume the writer meant by the falling stones in the tomb. But this sentence is ambiguous in that it could also mean the robbers would've been "torched and impaled" by the authority.

I have removed parts and modified others. Improve them if you will. --Menchi 06:50 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I agree with your changes. I have further changed the statement that "Almost all of the tombs have been ransacked except for Tutankhamun’s", since it is false. Howard Carter himself clearly documents the ample evidence he found of robbers having entered the tomb. What was different here was that the robbers were either disturbed, or apprehended. Either way, the tomb was re-sealed, but the contents were in total disarray.

Fab 21:39, 5 Aug 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Wadi

I don't really know Arabic, but isn't "wadi" the term for a dried-out river bed turned into a sort of canyon? Is that really what the Valley of the Kings is? I've found the name Biban el Muluk (not sure about the spelling) in the article on the subject in Nationalencyklopedin's internet edition.

Which one is correct? - karmosin 16:18, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Wadi el-Muluk would be a direct cognate of the English "Valley of the Kings", but I have no idea whether that's just a back translation or is authentically used by the locals alongside Biban el-Maluk (which they certainly do use, and where Biban means 'gates'). So, the answer is "I don't know", but maybe this'll bring the article up on the watchlist of someone more knowledgeable. Albeit three months after you asked. –Hajor 02:32, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Slight tidy up

Hi - I had a go at tidying up this page - there were numerous bits of repeated data. I also hid one of the pictures, as it didn't seem to add much. I also added a links to a page about exploration of the valley - to be written later. Anyone got any feelings? Markh 12:37, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- I think we can merge some of the descriptions of the pit and unfinished tombs, perhaps dividing the list up into Royal Tombs, Non-Royal Tombs and then Unfinished Tombs / Pits. It would save a bit of space and seem a bit less like a Homeric list of ships! Markh 13:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merge of articles

I have tagged the three VofK articles as merging with this to create an uber-page! Basically there is a lot of repeated information, and it needs to all be in one place, so as to be consistent. Have created a page Valley of the Kings/temp (not sure whether this is the correct place though) that has the possible merge of the articles. This is partially for the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team so the One Article can be added as a possible FAC. Any objects / suggestions ? Markh 16:10, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I think we're past the point of no return. I'll be moving the /temp article in over this one shortly. –Hajor 04:53, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Done. 04:58, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

The merge and update is 'complete' anyone what to add anything ? Some more references might be good. Markh 11:28, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Map

We could do with a map! Markh 22:42, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

We certainly could. Any ideas? Preferably, one of the valley, and another of the entire necropolis. –Hajor 04:53, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

How about Theban Necropolis - I drew this a while ago, but it is not used anywhere ? Markh 09:44, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] KV photos

~~KV34?~~ KV11

~~KV7?~~ KV2

On commons:Category:Valley of the Kings, we've got two pics:

Image:Luxor, Tal der Könige, Grab von Thutmosis III. (1, 1995, 800x570).jpg, which claims to be the tomb of Tuthmosis III (KV34)
Image:Grabmalereien.jpg, claims to be from Ramesses II's tomb (KV7).

Can anyone confirm those? I don't know about the ~~first~~ second one: KV7's never been open when I've been there, but I didn't know it was stylistically so similar to KV2. As for the first one, it just doesn't look like KV34. –Hajor 05:22, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

First (white one) looks like a Ramesses III - (Ramesse-hekaiunu) cartouche, so that would make it from KV11. Markh 09:47, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I got into a muddle there with first & second. You mean the the white one, not the yellow one, yeah? –Hajor 13:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Well spotted. Final answer? (Oh -- and I put your necropolis map on Thebes, Egypt. Nice work!) –Hajor 14:44, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

1st one IS KV11 (probably). I don't think the yellow / second image can be from Ramesses II's tomb KV7, as I thought that it is mainly destroyed and certainly not a great deal of paint has survived (worst luck) See [1] for a nice picture of the state of the tomb. Markh 15:54, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

The cartouche and the colour scheme point pretty conclusively to the white one being KV11. As for the other one, I see the description uses the word Vermutlich ("probably") w/r/t Ramesses II. I didn't know KV7 was in such poor repait. My money's on its being KV2 (Ram. IV). –Hajor 16:27, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Bingo. 10525.jpg @ TMP. QED: yellow = KV2. –Hajor 16:35, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review comments

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I have put this article into peer-review. The main comment is that the list is too long! It might be better to reduce the list in this article to be the 'principle' burials – just the open and important ones, and the list part of this article be split off (again) into a seperate article. Any thoughts? Markh 18:48, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] KV63

I am removing KV63 from the list of Important Burials because it's significance is unknown, it might not be an important burial at all. Martin Hinks 16:20, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Can you add it List of burials in the Valley of the Kings? Cheers Markh 16:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Done (and I reformatted your post to use colons instead of asterisks :P)Martin Hinks 18:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

While it may turn out to be only a minor mummy cache, surely it's unquestionably significant since the discovery was only announced this week? And it'll remain important for quite a while as the first tomb discovered in the Valley in 80+ years. I'm hesitant to get into one of Wikipedia's famous 'edit wars', but there's no doubt in my mind it should be put back -- the experts can assess its intrinsic importance in due course, but as things stand today, 10 Feb '06, breaking news round the globe, it is at least as important as any other tomb in the Valley. Nectanebo 20:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

It is a significant discovery, but our section is currently called Significant Burials... maybe rename to Significant Discoveries and then it can go back in whereas we do not yet know if it is a significant burial. Due to the controversial nature of my change I made this discussion so as to avoid any edit wars, of which I also am not fond :) I would be in favour of changing the section name to Significant Discoveries and re-adding KV63, but without that change I am not in favour of re-adding. Martin Hinks 10:44, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I think that the burial should be on this page, people will look for Valley of the Kings, and expect to see this tomb there, rather than List of burials in the Valley of the Kings, which they would only find from this page. Its significance is that it is in the news, when its true significance is known, it maybe that it should be dropped. Markh 17:09, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the concept that it should be on this page. I will change the title of the section to Significant Tombs and add KV63. If anyone disagrees feel free to revert, but place a note here so we can discuss and avoid edit wars :) Martin Hinks 20:59, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Automatic peerreview

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[edit] Hieroglyphic Name

The hieroglyphic name featured here is not accurate.

In what way? Also please sign your name. Markh 11:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Contribution

Hey, I wanna contribute here with the Valley of the Kings tomb map, I could create it as a svg file. --Walter Humala |wanna Talk? 01:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

There is a map on the List of burials in the Valley of the Kings article, but it is a little rough (I did it, so dont worry), feel free to remake it. It might be good to removve the colours. Markh 08:33, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll have it ready for December 2nd. --Walter Humala

|wanna Talk? 06:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

This would be great to include in the article. We are on a mission to clean it up as you can see. Markh 17:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor suggestion

I came over from the GA page and noticed that the photo KV 2 appears on top of text -- at least on my computer (mozilla/mac). Also, do you mean to be on the GA and FA candidate pages simultaneously? Katsam 01:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

When I view it, KV2 appears ok, what resolution are you using ? Markh 11:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA

Hello, I noticed this article was still posted at GAC, and I think it meets the criteria for that so I passed it. Good luck at the FAC. DVD+ R/W 17:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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