User talk:Uzerbaaji

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Hey -- listen, I'm sorry, I don't want Wikipedia to discriminate against you for your bad command of English, but your edits have been very unhelpful so far. That's not a big problem in itself, but we've had such a problem communicating with you about your edits that you've continued to be unhelpful despite the community's best attempt to explain things to you. I believe you want to help, but if you can't understand English well enough to read our core policies, I'm afraid the English wikipedia isn't the best place for you. Check out The Uzbekistani wikipedia -- it won't help you improve your English, but perhaps you could at least learn there what Wikipedia is all about. Mangojuice^talk 15:40, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Note: Cyrillic and Arabic script above merely repeats the section in English, per machine translation. Tonywalton  | Talk

Contents 1 Welcome 2 Your edit to Bristol 3 Welcome 4 Altering your work 5 Hello 6 Your edit to Brockville, Ontario 6.1 Sources 7 Warning 8 Concerning your edits 9 Warning 10 Question 11 Warning 12 Re: 13 Comment 14 Uncyclopedia

[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

Hello, Uzerbaaji, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  -- ALoan (Talk) 14:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Bristol

Your recent edit to Bristol (diff) was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to recognize and repair vandalism to Wikipedia articles. If the bot reverted a legitimate edit, please accept my humble creator's apologies – if you bring it to the attention of the bot's owner, we may be able to improve its behavior. Click here for frequently asked questions about the bot and this warning. // Tawkerbot4 03:39, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Welcome to Wikipedia. If you want to improve your English or become an administrator as you requested, you can help contribute to Wikipedia, not removing a whole page like you did to Bristol. Happy editing. Aranherunar 03:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Altering your work

As you can read when editing anything here, ‘If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it.’ That’s something you should keep well in mind. And, yes, I was acting in good faith.

By the way, what does ‘وبارك الله بكم انتم الا علي هدف تدمير مقالتي’ mean? Some online translation site yielded ‘Allah blessed dumb belongs not to on goal destruction of articles’, but I doubt that it’s an accurate translation. (For future reference, English is a good language to use if you want to tell me something.) —xyzzy_n 04:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

It’s statistically certain that there are other editors from Uzbekistan here, but, short of going to http://uz.wikipedia.org/ and asking somewhere there, I have no idea where to find them. Regarding editing here in general, please take some time to study the policies applicable to articles on Wikipedia—verifiability, no original research and neutral point of view—as well as those governing general aspects, especially what Wikipedia is not and ownership of articles. —xyzzy_n 04:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

I answered your question at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(assistance)#heloio. Please answer there, or on my talk page, instead of asking again in new sections.-gadfium 08:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Brockville, Ontario

Why did I revert it? A few reasons:

1. Your attempt to "improve" the English in the article was not an improvement; "a beehive surrounded by a golden chain" is perfectly correct as it is. I'd have left it (your version was also "correct") except
2. for some obscure reason it was in italics.
3. you had signed the edit within the article itself, which is a thing that you shouldn't do (can you imagine the state of a heavily-edited article if every change, however minor, was accompanied by "edited by blah blah blah"?).

It was easier to revert a frankly pointless change than to remove a spurious signature and quotes. Any "credit" you feel you get for editing an article is visible in the article's edit history; you should not sign changes within the article itself. I'd also recommend that if, as you say on your userpage, you "Wunt ti improeve your engwish" you don't start by "improving" the English of other contributors when it's perfectly fine in the first place. Regards Tonywalton  | Talk 09:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid your comment makes little sense. What does اريد هل استطيع ان افضل لكن لا استطيع لانني الاوزبكيه. هناك الوقاحه الي هذا ويكيبيديا الاوزبكيه. mean? Tonywalton  | Talk 09:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what "Do I want the best I can, but I can not because I Uzbek. There is the audacity to this Ekebedia Uzbek." means either. However as Xyzzy says above, you'd be as well to consult the pages on ownership of articles and also try using English rather than what looks like Arabic if you intend to communicate with other users on the en Wikipedia. Why not try editing the uz Wikipedia for a while, if Uzbek really is your first language, then coming back here when you're more familiar with the conventions of Wikipedia, rather than trying to learn two things (Wikipedia and English) at once? Tonywalton  | Talk 10:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

See this regarding what Wikipedia considers as verifiable. Tonywalton  | Talk 12:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I wonder why you think I'm an American… However whether or not Uzbek foods are available in American supermarkets is beside the point. Please specify sources that these foodstuffs are real, and not just something you are making up. Verifiability is a Wikipedia policy; articles which cannot be verified cannot stay. Tonywalton  | Talk 13:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Warning

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

Please cease adding that image to user pages (particularly where it has been removed once already) or you will be blocked. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I have reverted your edits to others' user pages. If you want to give people a "Uzerbaaji point", please add it to their talk page not their user page. User:Adambiswanger1 reverted you once, with the edit summary revert nonsense, but you put it back again a few minutes later. Please don't do it again or I will block you. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments (even comments about a user's user page) go on the user's talk page. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:47, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Apologies if my comments above are a bit abrupt, but you should not edit other people's user pages without a good reason (adding a "Uzerbaaji point" is not a good reason). I have added a welcome message above - please follow some of the links and read some of our important policies, particularly Wikipedia:Five pillars. Happy editing. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning your edits

You might need to spend more time reading Wikipedia policies. I also suggest you go to the Wikipedia of your first language for the moment to contribute there as you might not yet have the language you should need in the English Wikipedia (in the meantime you can improve your English and skills by reading what others are saying in Wikipedia). Moreover, as a warning, please DO NOT add these [1] edits to all the articles you see. It is absolutely ridiculous. Wikipedia is not a place to play your games or to propagandize whatever election you're going for, and please stop. And no, you do not deserve credits in the articles. If your contributions are well someone will probably give you a barnstar in your talk page, but if you continue your contributions now all you'll receive is a ban. Do we need to put a slip after every word in the OED to give credit to the person who submitted that? No, that is not how it works. Ah, and one more thing. A friendly note: You're not the ruler of the world. Get it? Thanks, and happy editing. Aranherunar 15:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I get it now - And would you stop these edits [2]? I apologize for my frankness, but I don't think anyone cares about them and they are more disruptive than helpful. If you really like a user page, you can put a note in their talk page (When I say "really like", I mean "like very much"), but not just on every user page you find. Again I hope you will read some Wikipedia policies that are provided to you on your talk page. We're all struggling to make a good encyclopedia here, and please don't make matters personal.Aranherunar 16:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. I do not exactly know what you mean, but I suppose you're trying to say that [3] and [4] can remind people of your country and the world around them...Very philosophic, but have you ever thought about the few hundred trillion billion zillion things that needed to be cared about in the world? Do I have to put a notice on every page so somebody would go and feed that little cat I saw over the street? Oh and then I need to remind you how to spell "Wikipedia". Should I put a notice on every page and say 'Hey everybody come and teach Uzerbaaji to spell "Wikipedia"'? Again, that's not how it works. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and this is simply not the place. Please spend your time reading WP:NOT (and other WP policies) before you begin another new idea of world-saving of yours. Aranherunar 16:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry to have to say that I have yet to see you improve any article that you have edited. The edits that User:Aranherunar mentions above are all essentially vandalism. Please stop right now or I will block you.

If you want to make a positive contribution to Wikipedia, perhaps you can concentrate on a topic that you know well and can write about in English, and expand an article on that subject. How about Uzbekistan (the section on transportation is marked as needing expansion - see also Transport in Uzbekistan) or something from Category:Uzbekistan? Perhaps you could expand some of the many Uzbekistan stubs? -- ALoan (Talk) 16:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

ALoan, I believe he is acting in hopes of improving Wikipedia though absolutely in a wrong way. His edits should be seen as bad contributions instead of simply vandalism.

As for your reply, Uzerbaaji, what is the chance that someone with ability will read one of your notice out of the million articles that Wikipedia has? Wikipedians will ask for help when a specific topic needs attention. Everyone knows Wikipedia "needs help" - everyone needs some help, but you're not helping Wikipedia by putting a quite annoying notice (for most readers) on every page you see. Wikipedia can ask for help itself, thanks, and please don't treat yourself as a king or something. "Doing a favour" for Wikipedia does not need to be emphasized - every user on Wikipedia is doing that. So? You should not hope to receive credit or benefits for doing a favour, because its a favour and it should be selfless. Aranherunar 16:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Warning

Please do not write ANYTHING about yourself or things directly related to you in articles, and please do not sign your name after contribution. Understood? I have explained it throughly above. Aranherunar 08:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Can you please give a translation of the lines under Image:Uzbekwikiwk.JPG which you uploaded? Thanks. Aranherunar 08:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Warning

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Уважаемый Uzerbaaji. Если Вы сюда пришли чтобы прикалываться, то скоро Вас забанят. Если хотите поучаствовать, то с Вашим теперешним английским лучще начинать с чего-нибудь реалистичного - ищите фактические ошибки, ссылки по материалу и проч. Если Вы хотите писать статьи, то может Вам лучше на http://ru.wikipedia.org или http://uz.wikipedia.org ? abakharev 08:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

Thanks for your reply on my talk page. I see you want to be an admin - why is that? What do you want to do with admin powers? Admins are for keeping the order in Wikipedia. If you don't follow the rules themselves, what's the point being an admin? Please note that Wikipedia only accepts contributive and respected users as admins. By breaking the rules you fail the foremost criteria for being an admin - not only that, you are a relatively very new user. As a note, some users only vote Support for adminship when the user has a large number of useful contributions. So if you want to be an admin, you'll have to wait until that day, and be humble and obedient until then, please. Aranherunar 08:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

This user has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia, per ruling of administrators, Jimbo Wales and/or the Arbitration Committee. See block log. (toolbox: contributions • page moves • current autoblocks)

abakharev 09:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

Blocking the user does not seem necessary. I think there's a chance he's simply a genuine newbie overdoing himself a bit and is ignorant of the purpose of Wikipedia, and from what I have seen he is totally ignorant of Wikipedia policies and the purpose of Wikipedia. Aranherunar 09:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I would agree if he had shown the slightest willingness to listen to the advice given him regarding his actions over the past 24 hours. As it is, I think perhaps a 48 hour block might be more appropriate - if he's genuinely interested in contributing that will give him a chance to try the sandbox (though for a newbie he seems very au fait with the mechanics of editing, though not the conventions), to read what articles look like and to see the difference between trolling and contributing. Adding unverifiable nonsense like

هوكنز في حاله عدم وجود الحمض is a proverb of Uzbekistan, said in the south east districts. Meaning: "In Hawkins case there was no DNA"

is the former rather than the latter, I'd say. Tonywalton | Talk 09:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree a 48 hour block might be appropriate, but if he is "genuine" I don't believe that can help because we're having an "understanding" problem here - i.e. he does not believe he is in any way causing disruption and is believing himself to be doing Wikipedia a "favour" and wants to receive credit for it...That does not sound like a troll, rather a person with a huge misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Anyhow, his case is better than a lot of users I see that are not indef banned, without any personal attacks/insults, unlike this. Aranherunar 09:31, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree that an indefinite block is not yet appropriate. His disruptive behaviour seems to have been curtailed, and I will WP:AGF for the time being. I suggest unblocking, but he really ought to follow some of the suggestions made above if he wants to make useful contributions. Perhaps we should raise this on WP:ANI, although I doubt there will be too much sympathy there. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I must admit that I'm more of the opinion that this is some highschool student in Ontario or somewhere having a laugh. Ah well, let's see if an admin reviews his block (there are times I'm glad I'm not an admin - those guys have to make decisions :-) ) Tonywalton | Talk 09:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

He does spend a lot of time writing about himself and things that are supposedly 'related' to himself, which most trolls wouldn't do. He has also remained quite polite until now. Aranherunar 09:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I am an admin, but I am not going to overrule User:Alex Bakharev who imposed the block. I have left a message on his talk page asking him to reconsider his decision, so let's wait to see what he says. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:31, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Uncyclopedia

There is a nice site named Uncyclopedia where people appreciate humor loving people like you. Please go there and have some fun. It will be good for your English classes as well. Мы очень ценим твой юмор, просто тут он немного не по делу. Есть такой прикольный сайт Uncyclopedia, там тебя оценят. Для упражнений в английском он даже лучше. Успехов abakharev 11:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)